Yes, that is true. I think there is a thread somewhere discussing John's "coldness" throughout S3, and as far as I remember those particular scenes were discussed as well.
However, I don't really see the point to compare John and Mary in those scenes. John is rather on the "receiving" end here, similar to the scene with Sherlock's return. He is the victim of some sort, he can react to what has been done to him. It is much more logical to compare Sherlock's and Mary's deeds and lies.
 

Oh, I did not see this comparison. Sounds intriguing. 

Well, there is also Mary-Magnussen if you look at the parallels between the deleted scene and Mary in hospital as well as the T-shirt quotes. 

Or she could just be in a league of her own. 

Last edited by SusiGo (May 12, 2015 8:14 pm)

@SusiGo: Here is what has at some point been written about Mary and Moriarty in this thread:

Lola Red wrote:

SolarSystem wrote:

And since comparing Mary and Sherlock seems to be so much fun, why stop there? Why not continue and compare Mary to, let's say, Moriarty? One big difference: Mary killed Sherlock, Moriarty didn't. With Moriarty, just like with Sherlock, you knew from almost the very beginning what you would get. He at least had the 'decency' to let people in on his game so they knew what to expect.

Let's see. They both are in some way or another attracted to Sherlock. Both actually choose to get involved with Sherlock to the degree they do, Moriarty by toying with Sherlock and Mary by encouraging the contact between John and Sherlock. Both kind of stumble upon him (as far as we know until now) more or less by accident. Moriarty because he is after Mycroft and Sherlock is Mycroft’s weak spot and Mary because she is with John when Sherlock reappears. Both have some mirror-aspects with Sherlock, Moriarty in his brilliance and his manic energy (though he is much more out of control than Sherlock is) and Mary in their common determination to protect Mary’s and John’s life together to the point of killing CAM. Both are in some kind of disguise when they fist meet Sherlock, though Mary’s disguise is much more permanent (she is already living it for ca. 4 years when we meet her in the show) while Moriarty only assumes his to set up his first meeting with Sherlock. Both accept Sherlock’s death as a consequence of their actions. Where they differ for me is mostly in the way they function. Moriarty delights in torturing others, especially Sherlock, who he tries to drive into suicide. Mary seems to be more “quick and dirty” in her approach, as evidenced by her killing method: a gun. Also Mary seems to be generally much calmer and more in control of her self while Moriarty is all out of control energy. I’m sure there is more, but that is what I can come up with for now.
 

edit: of course mary is her own character, but I think it is fun to compare her to the others and look for common themes

Last edited by Lola Red (May 15, 2015 1:08 pm)

Hmm, I guess one similarity between the two is that Sherlock has a sense of worthiness from Mary and Irene.  Irene has similar powers to Sherlock, like being able to deduce, and can even keep people from being able to make deduction about her.  She has a powerful mind, and thus Sherlock sees her as significant.  Mary is also intelligent, perhaps not in the same way as Irene but she is still very cunning and also able to achieve what she wants, which Irene can also do.  Mary can also tell when Sherlock is bluffing.  And Sherlock says that Mary deserves John, because she is not boring or stupid.

Maybe we had this before:

http://captainsjm.tumblr.com/post/97583791168/but-im-sure-thats-just-a-coincidence-and-shes-a

Interesting to see this unusual position of arms and hands twice. The first time we see Mary in Sherlock's mind when he remembers the liar deduction. So this position of hers has a sort of negative connotation. And then we get the same thing in a scene where we are at least superficially meant to believe all the stuff Sherlock tells John to defend her. Could be a lie, too. 

Hm, never thought of that before. Haven't thought about it before, but that would mean that after he whispered "Mary", he fell unconscious for the rest of the night?

That wouldn't make sense. I can't imagine any team of doctors giving CPR for five-six hours. And if they did, and it took that long for him to wake up, I reckon severe brain damage would be guaranteed.

No, it doesn't. Only thing I can think of that he fell unconscious after he woke up. Or it's simply a continuity error.

Harriet wrote:

I always thought they saved him right away (after all, it was not that bad) and then they went to their well-deserved dinner, and so they totally forgot to tell John about it and then with the morning shift a new nurse discovered John still waiting and so they told him?

John being a doctor himself, I reckon he would know aprx how much time it would take for them to know if he made it or not. (That is: If they managed to save him first time around or not). I doubt he would sit quietly all night and wait for the morning nurse without asking questions himself (hospitals are staffed 24/7).

Last edited by Vhanja (May 19, 2015 12:48 pm)

Do we see him actually say "Mary"? Meaning - is it made clear that the scene we see when he opens his eyes is the moment he says Mary?