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May 6, 2017 6:18 pm  #4861


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

besleybean wrote:

Well they'd banged on for two series about John being a ladies man, so it only made sense to continue the canonical theme and marry him off.

Again, there was no need to make Mary such a fast changing unplausible character that appears in seen episodes.

I feel the need to mention again thst I really liked her in the first two episodes before her character took all those strange spins.


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May 6, 2017 6:19 pm  #4862


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I think she was a strong and interesting female character.
Liked her and am sorry for John and Rosie that they've lost her.


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May 6, 2017 6:22 pm  #4863


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

besleybean wrote:

I think she was a strong and interesting female character.
Liked her and am sorry for John and Rosie that they've lost her.

Where has she been strong? I fail to see strength in her. She can use a gun, yes. But she rather shoots or runs away than dealing with problems.

She is smart, yes. But where the heck do you see strength?


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May 6, 2017 6:26 pm  #4864


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

She tried to do everything she could to protect those she loved:  her family.


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May 6, 2017 6:29 pm  #4865


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

besleybean wrote:

She tried to do everything she could to protect those she loved:  her family.

Again, where did she show strength? Talking to John instead of running away would have shown more strength.


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May 6, 2017 6:33 pm  #4866


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

She did not run away.
She was trying to make the danger follow her and take it away from her family.


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May 6, 2017 6:36 pm  #4867


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

besleybean wrote:

She did not run away.
She was trying to make the danger follow her and take it away from her family.

Um no, she was hiding from danger by using this strange system of choices. Actually, she left John and Rosie behind, not knowing they were in danger, while she was trying to hide.


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May 6, 2017 6:38 pm  #4868


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

She knew she was in danger and went off to try and eradicate the danger, at the same time taking it away from John and Rosie.


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May 6, 2017 7:14 pm  #4869


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I think it seems to be very subjective - the way I see it, she was strong in trying to deal with her own problems herself.   Which she may possibly have done successfully if Sherlock and John hadn't intervened. 

I agree that Mary brought them together.  No, they didn't have to have them separate after her death, but the story is centered around Sherlock and John's friendship - it needed some development, and we had speculated about how it could forward, and what could make one of them blame the other, etc.  

But I think she's more than just that.  As I mentioned earlier, I think the main point of Mary was to make cases more personal for Sherlock and John.  Instead of an assailant or a client that's new to us, we have somebody that John and Sherlock care deeply about (even if the audience don't always!).   It's more of a drama than a detective story sometimes, and Mary added more drama.

 

May 7, 2017 3:29 am  #4870


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Schmiezi wrote:

besleybean wrote:

Well each to their open.
I thought it gave the story great impact.
But we've moved on since then, they boys are fine now.

And I am so looking forward to seeing more of them being fine in S5 one day. :-)

And preferably not before they're old and gray, and Una Stubbs is just a fond memory!

 

 

May 7, 2017 6:51 am  #4871


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I know!  Una was 80 a few days ago .   Let's hope she has many years left, but maybe she'll be thinking of retiring at some point! 

 

May 7, 2017 7:44 am  #4872


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I know it wouldn't be the same, but they can go on without her...just as they did without Mary.


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May 7, 2017 10:30 pm  #4873


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Una doesn't seem to be slowing down too much. She seems strong. Dame Judi Dench is still going, so why not Una?



Clueing for looks.
 

May 8, 2017 5:29 am  #4874


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Indeed, Una appears in The Durrells next week!


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May 8, 2017 6:32 am  #4875


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

There are several actors I can think of who work well into their 80s and beyond, so there is definitely hope!  But with kgreen's comment about Martin and Benedict being old and grey made me think that by the time they're in their 60s/70s, she'll be getting on a bit

 

May 8, 2017 3:41 pm  #4876


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Yep I think even if there is more Sherlock in say 10 years time...Una's career may be over.


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May 9, 2017 3:10 am  #4877


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

To get back to the topic, there is one thing (among many) that I still wonder about:

What was her motivation for recording the second DVD? Did she think John and Sherlock needed that to go back to their old live again? Like in, without me they will never manage?


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May 9, 2017 5:37 am  #4878


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

To try and jolt them out of their grief?


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May 9, 2017 6:21 am  #4879


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

besleybean wrote:

To try and jolt them out of their grief?

That would mean she feels like they would still be stuck in their grief.

What do you think, how long after her death did the boys receive the DVD?


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May 9, 2017 6:24 am  #4880


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Not certain on the timescale of the latter, possibly not too long.
Possibly she was afraid of Sherlock going off doing drugs and John drinking.
She knew they weren't always good at actually talking to each other..


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