I think she's a really good actress.

tonnaree wrote:

besleybean wrote:

I was about to reply 'charming'.
But I assume you mean in keeping canonical.

My reasons had nothing to do with canon.  
My dream for the character was for her to be reveled a true villain and die in a dramatic hail of bullets.

That would have been great! And more consistent with S3.

Well, in Canon she did not have a child and we did not see anything of Mary Watson after the marriage. She was always away so Watson could solve cases with Holmes. And then she died. Probably. 

However, my problem with BBC Mary is this: she is not a real character at all. She is a plot device that is constantly changing without showing any real development. She is whatever is needed to bring the story forward but in the end she does not have a clearly cut character, she is everything and nothing. Sassy fiancée, lovely bride, badass villain shooting Sherlock, tough special ops agent, crime-solving partner and friend, loving mother, martyr, ghost/conscience, voice from beyond via the DVDs ... it is just too much for me. 

 

SusiGo wrote:

Well, in Canon she did not have a child and we did not see anything of Mary Watson after the marriage. She was always away so Watson could solve cases with Holmes. And then she died. Probably. 

However, my problem with BBC Mary is this: she is not a real character at all. She is a plot device that is constantly changing without showing any real development. She is whatever is needed to bring the story forward but in the end she does not have a clearly cut character, she is everything and nothing. Sassy fiancée, lovely bride, badass villain shooting Sherlock, tough special ops agent, crime-solving partner and friend, loving mother, martyr, ghost/conscience, voice from beyond via the DVDs ... it is just too much for me. 

 

THAT'S IT!   The character of Mary was all over the map and I've been trying to put my feelings about that in to words forever.  You nailed it Susi.

Now, I'm going to make what may be a controversial statement. 
I don't care if the show is consistent with canon.
Don't get me wrong, the original stories are amazing and I love them.  After all, they are the reason we have these characters to play with in the first place.  But ACD himself said that we are free to use his world in what ever way amuses us.   The stories of Sherlock Holmes have been adapted and redone in so many ways, each with their own special appeal.

Therefore I don't care that they created the character of Molly or made Irene a dominatrix. 

So, I don't care if Mary died in canon.  In the original stories she could've lived to 90 and had 9 kids with John and I would still wish she had died a villain in the BBC version of Sherlock.
 

tonnaree wrote:

SusiGo wrote:

Well, in Canon she did not have a child and we did not see anything of Mary Watson after the marriage. She was always away so Watson could solve cases with Holmes. And then she died. Probably. 

However, my problem with BBC Mary is this: she is not a real character at all. She is a plot device that is constantly changing without showing any real development. She is whatever is needed to bring the story forward but in the end she does not have a clearly cut character, she is everything and nothing. Sassy fiancée, lovely bride, badass villain shooting Sherlock, tough special ops agent, crime-solving partner and friend, loving mother, martyr, ghost/conscience, voice from beyond via the DVDs ... it is just too much for me. 

 

THAT'S IT!   The character of Mary was all over the map and I've been trying to put my feelings about that in to words forever.  You nailed it Susi.

Now, I'm going to make what may be a controversial statement. 
I don't care if the show is consistent with canon.
Don't get me wrong, the original stories are amazing and I love them.  After all, they are the reason we have these characters to play with in the first place.  But ACD himself said that we are free to use his world in what ever way amuses us.   The stories of Sherlock Holmes have been adapted and redone in so many ways, each with their own special appeal.

Therefore I don't care that they created the character of Molly or made Irene a dominatrix. 

So, I don't care if Mary died in canon.  In the original stories she could've lived to 90 and had 9 kids with John and I would still wish she had died a villain in the BBC version of Sherlock.
 

Indeed. And I am absolutely fine with the fact that Mary died. What I am not fine with is that she died a martyr, that her death was technically impossible, that she returned for a whole episode as a ghost, and that she was given the last word. Sherlock Holmes and John Watson have never been Mary Watson's "Baker Street Boys". In this regard I wish they had stuck to Canon. 

I do not see what it has to do with wrapping up. Mary could have died in TST. There was no need to resurrect her for two other episodes. I still have the feeling that they wanted to give Amanda more screentime. Not sure if it was wise, in a storytelling sense, but this is what they did. 

Can I please just point out that NO ONE has confirmed that this was the last of Sherlock.  It just may be longer than usual before we get any more.  All the people involved love the show and would be happy to make more when the chance arises.

Yes thank you! <3

Like, even longer with even more screen time for Amanda?

No thanks!

besleybean wrote:

Well for a start it wouldn't have seemed quite so much over 2 episodes (...)

Well, then I did not get what you've meant. Didn't you speculate that they have turned two Mary centered episodes into TST?