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April 20, 2016 9:02 pm  #3301


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

besleybean wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it too much.
I'm sure they're capable of working it out for themselves.

I don't expect anything.
None of my business.
It's up to them.
All couples are different.
.....

 
You sound a bit as if we're talking about a real-life couple here. 


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April 20, 2016 9:05 pm  #3302


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Harriet wrote:

If this is supposed to be a lot of chemistry, ..., and love already, and if there's not more - then I feel truly pity for them.

Odd statement. Why would you pity fictional characters for a chemistry and love that you can't see but others can? 


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April 20, 2016 9:08 pm  #3303


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Because I've seen many other characters in the first months of a relationship and their creators were way more generous with domestic bliss.


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April 20, 2016 9:11 pm  #3304


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Well, if they were more generous with John and Mary's domestic bliss, I am sure some fans would complain about them getting way too much screen time and Sherlock being shoved even more to the side. 


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April 20, 2016 9:12 pm  #3305


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Well, if that is love, it's a strange way of hate-love IMO.
John and Mary both are not the very romantic type, I agree, but I would expect a little bit more romance for an engaged/freshly married couple, too.

They wouldn't need more screen time, just different. 

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April 20, 2016 9:21 pm  #3306


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Again an example of how we view scenes so differently. I found it to be a great scene to show their love and warmth towards each other. And much more realistic than Hollywood-love.


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April 20, 2016 9:23 pm  #3307


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

The shaving scene? Yes, I liked that one, too.
But after that? Hm........

PS. I never talked about Hollywood love. Much too cheesy for Sherlock.

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April 21, 2016 5:43 am  #3308


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Yes, I am really puzzled by this discussion. 
What exactly do people want?
The swooning maiden in distress, fluttering her eyebrows at the all conquering and masterful John?
They're real people and behave like real people!
I don't have an ounce of romance in me, my husband will attest to that!


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April 21, 2016 6:30 am  #3309


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I think you can put lots of feeling in a love story even if it is a side plot. There's little of that in the warstan romance. And I repeat: I think some project onto them what they know about Abbiman in real life. Doesn't work for everybody though.


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April 21, 2016 6:40 am  #3310


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

It looks as if they've deliberately made Mary quite a bit like John and Sherlock in some ways.  So she tends to banter with John rather than be sweet and loving.

I do think that if you assume they don't love each other, then the story loses some of it's feeling. 

 

April 21, 2016 7:12 am  #3311


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

mrshouse wrote:

I think some project onto them what they know about Abbiman in real life. Doesn't work for everybody though.

Oh, absolutely. I see a lot of chemistry in the shaving scene. They seem incredibly comfortable around each other. How much of that is John and Mary, and how much of that is Martin and Amanda, I do not know.

It's just another example of the filter we all se things through. Whether it's "I like Mary", "I dislike Mary", "I want Johnlock", "I want Warston", "I like Martin and Amanda" etc etc. 


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April 21, 2016 7:20 am  #3312


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

No, for me personally it worked exactly the other way round: I watched S3 and was absolutely astounded how boring the two of them come across on screen.
Same goes for Johnlock. Never watched the show actively searching for a love story between the men. Those two happened to me. 


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April 21, 2016 7:28 am  #3313


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

For me it was the other way around. I saw the chemistry between John and Mary (Martin and Amanda) immediately, and didn't know or think about Johnlock throughout the entire series until I joined the fandom. 


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April 21, 2016 7:45 am  #3314


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Vhanja wrote:

mrshouse wrote:

I think some project onto them what they know about Abbiman in real life. Doesn't work for everybody though.

Oh, absolutely. I see a lot of chemistry in the shaving scene. They seem incredibly comfortable around each other. How much of that is John and Mary, and how much of that is Martin and Amanda, I do not know.

It's just another example of the filter we all se things through. Whether it's "I like Mary", "I dislike Mary", "I want Johnlock", "I want Warston", "I like Martin and Amanda" etc etc. 

 
Hm. I neither liked nor disliked Mary before I saw her part in the show. How could I?
How can there be a filter then?


@besley - quote: "What exactly do people want?
The swooning maiden in distress, fluttering her eyebrows at the all conquering and masterful John?
They're real people and behave like real people!"


Did you read? NO, I don't think of any Hollywood-love. I don't like it very much AND it wouldn't fit to the show. And yes, People behave different, but still for me there isn't enough feeling between John and Mary. IMO if Moftiss wanted to show us the loving couple they could have done better.


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April 21, 2016 8:14 am  #3315


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

besleybean wrote:

I don't expect anything.
None of my business.
It's up to them.
All couples are different.
But there is absolutely no need for them to be together if they don't want to be.

I believe it´s up to the writers, not John and Mary themselves.


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April 21, 2016 8:16 am  #3316


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Mattlocked wrote:

 Hm. I neither liked nor disliked Mary before I saw her part in the show. How could I?
How can there be a filter then? .

But once you do decide whether you like or dislike a character, that then becomes a filter in which you will watch the rest of the scenes with that character through.
 


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April 21, 2016 8:59 am  #3317


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

But when do I decide that?
I consider myself as a quite open person and usually take my time rather than misjudjing people. But who knows....

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April 21, 2016 9:02 am  #3318


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

It's usually not something you consciously decide. Perhaps you're not quite familiar with the term of watching something through a filter?


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April 21, 2016 9:04 am  #3319


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

This filter thing is such a common place saying all and nothing at the same time, I find it rather useless for a fruitful discussion.


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April 21, 2016 9:05 am  #3320


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I find it very useful, because to me it explains a lot of things. (For instance, how we can view and interpret the same scene in totally different, often opposite, directions).


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