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October 24, 2015 8:38 am  #2421


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

That is an interesting thought. I am not sure about Isaac being redeemed though. He was momentarily rescued, yes but we never hear about him again, or am I forgetting something?

Edit: Now that I think about it, Sherlock was also only momentarily rescued from death. He came back to life only to be send to certain death in Serbia.

So what would that mean for Mary?

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October 24, 2015 8:49 am  #2422


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Lol Schmiezi, you might want to do a spellcheck on that last post


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October 24, 2015 9:26 am  #2423


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Done. :-p

Thank you. That's why you shouldn't post from your smartphone while pushing a pushing chair.


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October 24, 2015 9:31 am  #2424


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I didn't think you'd call him Shetlick deliberately 


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October 24, 2015 11:28 am  #2425


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Yes but Sherlock is brought off the plane and Mycroft even acknowledges that he has had a period of Exile...but now he is needed back home...
Oh sorry, I just realised we might be talking about different things.
I was speaking specifically of HLV, because I am centering my thoughts around Mary...as she's the subject of discussion! Ha.
So I meant: Sherlock came back to life on the operating table and then was sent away on the plane to his possible death...but then was brought back.


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October 26, 2015 12:53 pm  #2426


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October 26, 2015 12:59 pm  #2427


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

... and in the next sentence Amanda says "Well... if you can fall into being an assassin..." 

I like what Amanda said about Mary in that panel. That she believes Mary truly loves John, and that everything isn't black or white. I couldn't agree more.


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October 26, 2015 1:03 pm  #2428


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Vhanja wrote:

... and in the next sentence Amanda says "Well... if you can fall into being an assassin..." 

I like what Amanda said about Mary in that panel. That she believes Mary truly loves John, and that everything isn't black or white. I couldn't agree more.

That aside, do you think she already knows what fate her character would face in S4? Her comment seems to indicate that she knows more about Mary´s past than we do... or is this merely her "headcanon"?
 


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October 26, 2015 1:12 pm  #2429


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I have no idea. It will be very interesting to see if we learn more about Mary in S4. Either from her past or what path her character's development will take for the future.

Didn't Ben once said that when he asked Moffat for backstory about Sherlock, he didn't get any? Because Moffat doesn't believe in backstories? So I guess there isn't one for Mary either, unless it's important to the plot forward.


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October 26, 2015 1:30 pm  #2430


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

It does seem to suggest that she knows more.   Either that or that Moftiss have talked to her about the character's background and motivations (even if that's not going to be shown in S4).   I do remember that thing about Moffat not giving a backstory, but in the commentary, Moftiss were discussing it, saying that they see Mary as a "Callan" type character.   Of course, Amanda could have taken her headcanon from the commentary! 

I find it really interesting - it was the bit of the interview that really jumped out for me too, as I think it's the most revealing thing Amanda has said about Mary so far (that I can remember), even if it's not a huge revelataion. 

 

October 26, 2015 2:30 pm  #2431


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion


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October 26, 2015 2:54 pm  #2432


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I wonder with all caution possible: why is it shoving forward Mary's story again? I don't want to sound overly negative here (well, I am, to be honest, blame it partly on a couple of personal issues I have currently...) but personally I just hope we won't get yet another episode around what a great grey BAMF she is and how to deal with that in Victorian era and are they married, oui ou no, and I would have loved actually if there also had been a couple of other actors at the panel, talking about their roles and where they see them.


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October 26, 2015 5:26 pm  #2433


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I am assuming the other actors either weren't available or not interested.


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October 26, 2015 5:31 pm  #2434


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

I wondered the same. Benedict had two performances, so he was unavailable. As for the others, I have no idea. But I sometimes get the feeling that Amanda is very present compared to the part she is playing. 


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October 26, 2015 6:29 pm  #2435


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Yes, this, thank you, Susi. 
You put it better than me with my ill-tempered waffling.
What I wanted to say is, that her repeated representation for the show is not a hint that her part will develop f
or less John and Sherlock and personal conflicts between them.
Edit: I wanted to say that I hope it's not....

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"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 

October 26, 2015 6:51 pm  #2436


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Martin doesn't seem to like these events...
I think Andrew may be working...
Well I'm expecting Mary to be in series 4 at least and she's in the Special...Amanda's known to be good with fans.
I presume she was invited and accepted...fair enough!
It was quite a balanced panel: a female producer, male writer, male actor and female actor...seemed reasonable to me.


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October 28, 2015 8:03 pm  #2437


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Interesting thoughts in this meta: http://recentlyfolded.tumblr.com/post/132099600250/what-no-one-knew-about-mary

"What we don’t know and I suspect are unlikely to ever know is what the directors of TEH & TSOT may have been told about Mary. Were they constrained to the Mary of the first two eps as well, to the words that were on the pages of the single script they each were handed? And would they have handled her differently had they known what was to come in HLV?This is interesting to me because it goes further than pure curiosity and fascination with the production process. If the writers had to rely upon secrecy and an unheralded reveal, that’s pretty much admitting to their own weakness as writers and lack of trust in their actors and production crew. By hobbling them of information that should have been established for that “seen but not observed” reveal later, the writers stand as a sort of deus ex machina and the change in characterisation is what? Pure writerly exposition, breaking their narrative to throw in something they’ve not laid groundwork for. Lazy, then, is a term that comes to mind; writing themselves into a corner is another.It sounds as though they struggled a bit anyway with s3’s composition. We’ve heard that the empty house was to have been in TEH, then it was moved to TSOT, then it finally found a home in HLV, long after the play on words with TEH’s title was a bit stale. We know that it took all three of them to hammer out TSOT. They never did really hit their three pre-release “words,” did they? The visual production, the direction of s3, was by its very nature fragmented by each director admittedly trying to make their own distinct version, distinct from the others."

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October 28, 2015 8:09 pm  #2438


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Vhanja wrote:

Plus the help from the medical team.

The romantic notion is that he was brought back to life by the thought of John being in danger. Which is cool on film (and that entire Mind Palace scene is one of my favorite ones in the entire series, truly awesome!). But in reality he was saved just as much by the medical team. 

Also, he almost bled to death because she hit a vein (can't remember the name, not a medical expert), a vein that lies slightly different within each individual and is impossible to calculate precisely, especially when the person is wearing clothes.

But hitting the liver was the best (or: lesser evil) of where to hit him if she wanted him to be both incapacitated, but also with the highest chance of survival. So, yeah, impresice surgery as good as you can do it in a stressed-out situation with a gun towards someone with clothes on. 

Vena Cava-- and if that was surgery, I want Mary sued for malpractice! :-D

 

October 28, 2015 8:11 pm  #2439


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

SusiGo wrote:

I wondered the same. Benedict had two performances, so he was unavailable. As for the others, I have no idea. But I sometimes get the feeling that Amanda is very present compared to the part she is playing. 

Yep! Which is why, I don't think she's going anywhere. 

 

November 2, 2015 1:00 pm  #2440


Re: Mary – the subject of discussion

Liberty wrote:

It does seem to suggest that she knows more.   Either that or that Moftiss have talked to her about the character's background and motivations (even if that's not going to be shown in S4).   I do remember that thing about Moffat not giving a backstory, but in the commentary, Moftiss were discussing it, saying that they see Mary as a "Callan" type character.   Of course, Amanda could have taken her headcanon from the commentary! 

I find it really interesting - it was the bit of the interview that really jumped out for me too, as I think it's the most revealing thing Amanda has said about Mary so far (that I can remember), even if it's not a huge revelataion. 

It seems she definitely knows the storyline:







 


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