Sherlock, I picked up on it, before I applied slo-mo, because I saw something. Maybe they don't want to let us pick up on it in slow-mo, but S IS doing weird stuff with his hands. But you have to take my word for it, that I clearly see the object, which I described. Significant or not -  I don't know. But S has something in his hand.

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Sherlock, I see your problem with applying freeze frame and slo-mo on everything, because it might turn out false positives like continuity and production errors. For example many people have pointed out, that, when we see the very last of the strechter, just before it is about to enter the entrance of the hospital, the guy on the stretcher is NOT Sherlock - and they are right. The guy has no blood on his face, and if you freeze frame it, you can clearly see, that he is not Cumberbatch, who has a VERY distinctive mouth. The guy on the stretcher looks very much like one of the stuntmen, who did the jump. Same hair and shape of face. You can find all the material for this observation in 'The Final Problem' blog. Now, I have a real problem with the theory, that S switched position OUTSIDE the hospital with someone, who has rough similarities with him and is dressed identically, but we have never been introduced to before. So, since all this is only visible for a sec, I wonder, if they just used material, they shot for some reason and thought, nobody would pick up on it. On the other hand, they could just have left out that particular shot - and one of the helpers shields the face of whoever is on the stretcher with his hand. So I really don't know, what to make of it. As to the tiny metallic hook - to me it seems to be a real clue, since they do a close up shot of the hands and the handshake, and as I said, I (and others) saw something, which made us apply slo-mo in the first place. It's like looking with a magnifyer. What it does tell us, I don't know.

Irene, re : tiny hooked object - I guess, we have to be just patient and wait, wait, and wait..., lol! .. if anything comes of it. I wish, I could post a pic, but my lap top is too low quality to make good screen grabs, but on my dvd player I can see it clear and sharp - not blurry at all.

I agree with your observation re: Moriarty's change of expression. There must be something going on that very moment, which makes him realize, that he is beaten after all by Sherlock.M looks like he has finally seen the light - and is pleased in a strange way. S has proven himself to be extraordinary after all.

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Yes, Irene, I always believed, they are not just trash talking each other... something VERY specific is going on there...
Do you ever have the feeling, that we could use our collective energy for solving more important problems, lol? But I just don't like unsolved riddles... maybe that's one thing, we all have in common.

Interesting. I had always interpreted it that Moriarty had only seen that Sherlock was 'on the side of the angels' and therefore assumed he was incapable of stepping over certain boundaries - but in that moment he realised that Sherlock was entirely capable of doing so and therefore he had to reassess. I'll have to watch it again but I really don't think there is any more to it.

He starts off the scene (when he first gets on the roof) with his hands in sight as he paces, his right hand is twitching but nothing in it.

This was hard to get but believe me he was twitching his fingers, nothing in his hands.

Then he stops and his hands are next seen going behind his back & joining; nothing there.

Then "beats like digits" - closed fist, nothing in either hand.

Certainly nothing when he lifts his hand up


Here is that screen capture Irene was talking about.and yes, I noticed that and it is hard to say what it is. Certainly more in the shape of a ball than a pen knife or anything metallic.
And it is gone straight afterwards which makes me wonder if it was just shadow, but it's not the right place for a shadow to be.
And honestly it is the only time I see anything possibly in his hands throughout the scene.



So up till now, he MAY have had something in his left hand; certainly wasn't a pen knife though. And it was only there for a brief period. I'll do the remainder shots next, this will then cover everytime we see Sherlock's hands in this scene until the shooting part.

Check out this post on The Final Problem's Tumblr - it's a pretty comprehensive look at the "does Sherlock have something in his hands" question.

http://finalproblem.tumblr.com/post/17387286284/nothing-up-my-sleeve-unless-there-is

(I know I keep referencing The Final Problem's Tumblr but it really is an excellent collection of theories)

sioneld, I've seen the sequence of grabs. Thanks for linking. All, I can say, is that I agree with most of the remarks, except one. In the last picture of that sequence, I can make out definitely the object I'm talking about all the time, only it is rather blurry and looks more like a reflection of light, while it appears much sharper on my screen. And a split second after that grab it can be seen even better. It's moving and turning a bit in S's hand. It's definitely a tiny hook. You have to take my word, that I'm  not under the influence of the Baskerville psychedelic fog,lol! Anyway, I can only prove it, if I can come up myself with a decent freeze. If I make any headway I'll let you all know. The significance of that is another thing altogether. I've come across another blog, where someone has also made out something in S's hand, and has quite a few intelligent thoughts about it. I'll will adress this later, since real life makes some urgent demands.   
kazza, thank you for the pictures!

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Irene_Adler wrote:

And yes, I think something important must happen in that moment. Moriarty's change is quite surprising, I keep thinking there has to be some reason we don't get...

I think the reason he changes is that he has nothing left, no more twists of the facts. He has twisted so much, everytime Sherlock says something that beats him, he twists the truth to try and beat Sherlock again and again.
In the end, he had no other twist except to kill himself, thus (in his eyes) killing Sherlock.
Sherlock said he would happily die if it meant Moriarty would die; Moriarty decided that as that was the only game plan left, he'd out-do Sherlock one more time and get in first.

Thanks for posting them Kaz. I can definitely see something in his hand...it could be a squashed up rubber ball but the question is where did he put it later on?