ok.  why do I get the feeling that Sherlock WASN'T on the roof at all?

Something tells me I need to watch that scene over again..........

John has his first (index) and second finger tips right over the radial pulse.  Exactly the right place!

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I think it is highly unlikely that a combat medic would grab a wrist to check for a pulse either. I suspect this might be a bit of a technical error but it does allow for the possibility that John doesn't look closely at Sherlock's face.

Davina wrote:

I think it is highly unlikely that a combat medic would grab a wrist to check for a pulse either. I suspect this might be a bit of a technical error but it does allow for the possibility that John doesn't look closely at Sherlock's face.

I would say , given the scene & people involved, that it was the only place John COULD grab at that stage. It was crowded around the body & John simply reached out to the closest part of the body that he could.
Agree with The Doctor on these points also.

This is another part I find over-analysed; there's no need for this level of scrutiny on such a scene. I doubt there's any answers here. All observations are simple & straightforward.

There is no way that I can read through 28 pages of discussion, so I'm just dropping in my two cents on "surviving the fall". I subscribe to the "Jonathan Creek: The Problem at Gallows Gate" solution where a guy plans his own faked suicide by jumping off a balcony. If you don't know what this entailed, watch the episode; Jonathan Creek is a great show anyway.

My only problem with this solution is that in TRF we actually see a flash of Sherlock hitting the ground, which is not the case in Gallows Gate. So that's the only thing for me that is cause for uncertainty.

kazza474 wrote:

Yes well as the Boss reported, Moftiss have said its something simple that even someone watching for the first time may see. No slow mo, no rewinds, no close ups.

This means one things people..... BACK TO THE DVD!

That might just be what is causing the problem... the fans have all seen the episode way too many times, from too many angles - they hardly remember what they saw the first time round.
Maybe we should all get an "outsider" to watch the scenes just once, and then discuss their theories rather than ours?

Just thought this was cute.. a recent BC interview:

"Are you surprised by the stir Sherlock’s ‘death’ caused at the end of the last series?

The level of obsession with it was nuts. When I read that in the script I got the biggest kick of my life. I remember ringing Martin and going, “Oh my f*cking God. Have you read this?�

Will we find out how Holmes did it?

Of course you’ll find out. But not now....

Can we run some theories by you?

You can, but it will be such a waste of your breath.

Right, so was it all to do with Sherlock’s homeless network?

Yes, all the homeless people in London caught me [laughs]. They formed a human mattress and it was lovely. It was like getting the bumps on your birthday, I didn’t feel a thing. Seriously though, I did that jump. I was on a wire and went off the edge of the building. I was jumping off about three metres into a bunch of cardboard boxes with only a railing separating me from the real drop. We did it about two or three times in the rain with people filming opposite, and it was f*cking amazing. I’ve skydived three times and it was nearly as thrilling. I even did a sky dive while I was in New Zealand, which I shouldn’t be telling anyone, but there you go."

I still wonder if you could have theories where there are people doing something out of the ordinary in the open. Anyone walking by St. James could see the human mattress. Newspapers reported Sherlock's death. It's much bigger than John being fooled for a nation to believe Sherlock is dead. Anyone in the vicinity of the hospital could have testified to saying, "No, he landed in a bunch of people who formed a net. I don't know why they're declaring him dead."

Yes, Watson couldn't see for a few seconds, but it's not Watson's testimony that confirms Holmes' death.

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@Arya: In my opinion, this reduces the scope of theories to those that have someone or something falling off the hospital and hitting the ground. Any trick is then what's done after the body/object hits, since a crowd immediately surrounds it.

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