I don´t know, it really makes me uneasy..  All those allusions to sexual assault in the unaired pilot/deleted scenes/scripts..
..
*shudders*

Zatoichi wrote:

I don´t know, it really makes me uneasy..  All those allusions to sexual assault in the unaired pilot/deleted scenes/scripts.

 Well, there was obviously a reason why they cut it out. I shudder with you, and I'm glad it's a theoretical shudder.
 

nakahara wrote:

I doubt CAM would have left Baker Street with his teeth complete and intact after that quip of never having a detective before.

Ditto.

Seriously, with John present in a scene like that, it would have been HIM who would have pulled the gun on CAM in the end, without turning a hair.
 

Last edited by La Jolie (November 7, 2014 12:38 pm)

A pitbull with hedgehog-spikes!!

Interesting - thank you for posting!  It looks as if they originally wanted to make Magnussen appear sexuallly predatory towards Sherlock, but decided to cut that out.  Apart from the reasons we mentioned for leaving out the other scene, and I think two scenes would have made the sexual aspect very much the focus - more than it should be, I think. 

I was wondering why the sexual suggestions from Magnusson are so deeply creepy compared to sexual suggestions from others (Irene, Kitty ... perhaps Moriarty?).   I get a sexual harrassment vibe from him that I don't from the others.  Maybe it's because it's so blatantly showing his power and control (and isn't that what sexual assault is often about, even though he doesn't actually go that far?) whereas the others have different agendas.   I mean, he really doesn't do that much.   "I've never had a detective before" would just be a flirty comment coming from anybody else, but there's something Hannibal Lecter-ish about it from Magnussen.  Maybe just because I've read it in the context of the deleted scene - and Magnussen's other comments and actions.

Agreed, quite Hannibal-Lecterish.  The innuendo, the 'woman's hands' comment,  eww.
And with Sherlock incapacitated,  a creepy scene,  meant to keep us (and him) off-balance maybe?
I always like the threads of power, innuendo and uncertainty.  ('Sherlock a girl's name?'  'woman's hands',
'it's all fine',  'Redbeard',  'you know what happened to the other one', etc.)  maybe some
transgender themed or other past secrets,  e.g., why did Clara leave Harry anyway... oh who knows.?  
It's fun to keep guessing, and we don't ever know what's next.   I can also see the wisdom of
deleting some of the scenes,  to keep  things from drifting too much in a particular direction.

besleybean wrote:

The only uses of this one are to 

I actually got something else out of the scene, a better sense of just what kind of shape Sherlock was in in the days following the shooting. When Mary visits him, it's obvious he's been in the hospital for only a short while. In the scene with Janine, it's been about a week (based on his comment in the Baker Street Scene). This scene puts him a couple of days into that first week (based on the fact that folks have had time to send in flowers).

I'm sure someone else here has spent a week or so in a hospital bed high on morphine. The camera work and Benedict's acting were excellent, conveying the weakness, the blurry vision, the lassitude, the helplessness, etc. If you're someone who's not used to being touched or relying on others, it leaves you feeling very vulnerable.

So with this third hospital scene, we see that in about a week, he goes from being completely stoned and helpless to having his doses dialed down enough so that he can sit up, chat, move around his bed, etc. Had he not left to orchestrate the Baker Street scene and made a mess of things, he would have been well on the way to a full recovery. Not very realistic considering his heart stopped and they had to do CPR on him, but that's what's there...

All that to say, this scene just strengthens my belief that Mary really didn't mean to hurt him and that the heart stopping scene was for dramatic purposes and to remind us of the Sherlock/John bond, rather than to say anything about Mary. I keep waffling back and forth about whether I expect her to be a villain in series 4, but this scene, in helping with the creation of a timeline for the earliest days of his recovery, definitely helps me believe in the surgery theory, although I will have no trouble being swayed in the opposite direction!

Mary

besleybean wrote:

I'm on Mary's side, at the moment!

I'm glad someone else is! I really want to like her and continue to believe that she made a bad choice because she didn't know she could make any other decision until someone told her there could have been another way.

Waitaminute.

We've just had this exact same discussion about Sherlock!!!

Is that what's going on in Baker Street during the confrontation, that he's applying the lesson that Janine taught him?

Mary

Oooh that is interesting, now with that part of the script... Interesting how they seem so interested in using sex to rattle Sherlock. 


I watched the scene on the DVD today and was able to put the English texts on, I usually miss one of two things because of my hearing... 

And btw, I'm on Mary's side as well... Magnussen is just... way too creepy and he keeps getting creepier (and this has nothing to do with homophobia btw)

I love the work they put into him as a villain.

But yes, I am so glad he is gone... 

maryagrawatson wrote:

besleybean wrote:

I'm on Mary's side, at the moment!

I'm glad someone else is! I really want to like her and continue to believe that she made a bad choice because she didn't know she could make any other decision until someone told her there could have been another way.

Mary

Of course, we can´t know what the authors are planning to do with Mary in S4. There were some rumours that her character could be the character of a detective from "The Valley of Fear", so at the moment it´s anyone´s guess if she will be revealed as a goodie or a badie later.

But if Mary was intended to be shown as a good, albeit misguided, person, why was she portrayed as an exact parallel to Magnussen - an explicit badie?

http://loudest-subtext-in-television.tumblr.com/post/101504109434/johnlockismyreligion-noooo-but-mary-is-a-good


 

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