Muhahhhaaaaaa, i was exactly to write about Orson Scott Card. 

Hypocrits throw me off. Those crying on TV about giving money to the poor and after that not giving thier money to the taxes. Or those being pedo, doing crimes, behaving anti-social. But not someone for having just a different opinion as mine (as long it doesn't cross the line of law). 

I do not put any celebrity, writer, actor, artist on a pedestal. They have the right to have thier own opinions, i don't want to see only nice PC-clones, because we will not evolve as a society when we all we will have the same opinions - we had that with the time of religions in Europe when thinking other way was seen as a blasphemy. In that time there was a very slowly evolution in science, for example. So, i don't want for the celebrities to have my own opinions, if they have fine, but sometimes i learn more from those who have other mind, because i have to grow up and think what is right and what is wrong. I might never understand the other opinion, but i put mine into perspective. 

I understand that Card is a very religious person and see this problem from another POV as mine. It could never influence my opinion on that matter as i am not so conservative in my believes. Is he the only person holding on this traditional religious opinion? No, he is not (sadly) - i come from a country with other traditional religion, i have already seen discussions like that. That is way is good when the laws are not made from a religous point of view and when country and religion are different matters. I think that only a gay person himself should have the decision if he wants or not to marry because of his own religion and not because of the other persons religion. 

Cut short, i will still love  and read Card's books, but what he says as a person are not my opinions and i don't take them only because i like his books and his work. I and Card agree to disagree . When a book of him will be racist, i would withdraw my support. 

People should think for themself not take the opinions of someone because is a celebrity (and normally a celebrity in totally another area as the opinion area). At the same time people should accept that we are all different and respect the right to have other opinions, even the celebrity. God, how boring are those celebrities who are totally PC and say only nice nice nice MOR phrases as if is a beauty pageant contest.  

This extends to books and shows. While here is a different matter as they are opinion carrier, while a writer and an artist are also private personalities with the right to have their own ideas. I woudn't support a racist book or show, one denigrating human beings. But i would support those books and shows putting something into discussion in a sensible way, even when are also opinions which i would never support. From the same reason as above: they make me think, further research, confront my own opinions to see how much is biased or prejudiced. 

Edit to add: there is a matter of how much a person tryes to inflict an opinion on other people. Is one thing to put it to discussion or to support an idea by democratic means and another thing to dicriminate the people who are not acting like in your opinion one should. You might not agree with gay marriage but you have no right to discriminate the gay people who married. 
 

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I don't know any of these companies. What is the problem? The money they give the worker, the work conditions or the environmental issues?

From where do you find this kind of information? Normally i find in our papers problems about paying / work conditions / ecology , but this kind not.

tonnaree wrote:

A lovely light wrote:

I don't know any of these companies. What is the problem? The money they give the worker, the work conditions or the environmental issues?

 
Papa John's gives money to extreme conservative organizations that push for legislation harmful to the environment and Women's and Gay rights.  Chick-fil-a supports orgaizations that seek to deny gay people basic human rights.   And Hobby Lobby wants to be able to deny their employees access to birth control through their healthy insurance.

For a start.

That kind of companies give me the creeps! I completely understand your position...

Germany. I don't think that a company would support publicy in Germany something like that, i have never heard here about something similar (which it doesn't mean it doesn't exist) that was why i was asking, as i was really not aware, but i don't follow the US reality in deep. 

A lovely light wrote:

Germany. I don't think that a company would support publicy in Germany something like that, i have never heard here about something similar (which it doesn't mean it doesn't exist) that was why i was asking, as i was really not aware, but i don't follow the US reality in deep. 

Well,there are companies selling their products in Germany I try to avoid, too. For example, I try to stay away from products sold by Nestle (which is difficult because they seem to be everywhere) because their actions is Africa regarding drinking water and children's labour is more than dubious.

Same for me with Nestle although it is quite difficult. 

I never ever buy Müllermilch products (dairy company) because of their misuse of public funds, rumours of support for a right-wing party and the general idiocy of their adverts using so-called stars no one with a brain wants to see on TV. 

I agree.
But my pal won't have a word said against him.
Apparently he worked his way up from nothing and is fantastic with his fans.

Oh sorry, the Cruise Missile!
For the record, I loathe Mel Gibson