A lovely light wrote:

Hah, i love how Mary is "the Snape" of Sherlock series - i remember how Snape was the most discussed person before HP7. And i bet that she would turn to have made despicable things buuuuutttttt still do something good to pay for the whole trust John and Sherlock had for her. She is set now to be the evil one, but like Dumbledore tell to Harry to trust Snape, Sherlock is telling John to trust her....

 

You know, I really think this is a possibility. But if they are going for this route I hope it will make as much sense as Harry Potter and will not be treated like the fall.. "Don´t think too much about it, everyone´s a critic, shut up now stupid Anderson *moonwalks out of the room*" ^^
 

Last edited by Zatoichi (September 7, 2014 6:02 pm)

Oh sorry, I see the comfuson now.
No, I meant rather had something happened to Mary(maybe from CAM) which she felt made going  to Sherlock an impossibility.
Or simply her life experience could have taught her to trust nobody and always act alone.

Schmiezi wrote:

I understand why you expect her to be programmed. I would expect the same thing, but I fail to see a single proof for it on screen. There are tropes film makers use to hint at it, but none of them made it into the show. Di you have scenes where you think that it is shown clearly?

I believe that it's just who she is, that the evidence is in the fact that she was a government-trained assassin.

Mary

Harriet wrote:

I thought the same, Schmiezi. After all, Sherlock is her husband's best friend, the best man to their wedding and someone who had promised to always be there for help no matter what. If I had a big problem AND Sherlock's offer to help me, I'd burst out into tears of gratefulness.

Maybe she just couldn´t imagine that Sherlock would be more loyal to her than to John - and I think she has a point in this. Sherlock would have helped her, but he wouldn´t have lied to John. And she didn´t want to make a run for it, she desperately wanted to stay with John, especially with the baby.
Also I think her past (and I´m especially thinking about the "disillusioned"-deduction here) keeps her from trusting people.. she was probably fighting for herself for so long that she didn´t even think of confiding in someone.

But who knows what's going on inside her head?

Zatoichi wrote:

Maybe she just couldn´t imagine that Sherlock would be more loyal to her than to John - and I think she has a point in this. Sherlock would have helped her, but he wouldn´t have lied to John. And she didn´t want to make a run for it, she desperately wanted to stay with John, especially with the baby.
Also I think her past (and I´m especially thinking about the "disillusioned"-deduction here) keeps her from trusting people.. she was probably fighting for herself for so long that she didn´t even think of confiding in someone.

Well, the vow Sherlock made he made to both, John and Mary. Sherlock would have found ways how to deal with John.
And a marriage will only work if the two involved work together and not hide crucial issues.
So if she can't trust people, her marriage is probably doomed anyway. 

Harriet wrote:

Zatoichi wrote:

Maybe she just couldn´t imagine that Sherlock would be more loyal to her than to John - and I think she has a point in this. Sherlock would have helped her, but he wouldn´t have lied to John. And she didn´t want to make a run for it, she desperately wanted to stay with John, especially with the baby.
Also I think her past (and I´m especially thinking about the "disillusioned"-deduction here) keeps her from trusting people.. she was probably fighting for herself for so long that she didn´t even think of confiding in someone.

Well, the vow Sherlock made he made to both, John and Mary. Sherlock would have found ways how to deal with John.
And a marriage will only work if the two involved work together and not hide crucial issues.
So if she can't trust people, her marriage is probably doomed anyway. 

I agree that their marriage was built on lies and probably doomed anyway. I was not trying to defend Mary, just trying to imagine what went on in her head in that moment..

I see. My ideas about what went on in her head go into a different direction, but yes, it is a sad thing.

My edit button seems to have gone as well.  Which makes me nervous as I almost always edit.

But anyway, I'm playing devil's advocate really, because I don't disagree, but Sherlock's attitude changed after the shooting, and he risked his life after Mary's threat.  Before that, he did seem prepared to help her.  I don't mean that he would have sided with her against that John, but that he would have kept quiet if he thought it was the right thing to do - if she could have persuaded him of that. 

After all, what was there to gain from telling John if Mary wasn't dangerous?  Would it make him safer or happier?  But anyway, I'm only talking short term - Mary only had to convince Sherlock long enough to keep him quiet until she could get out of the building and get him alone later (to explain, threaten, whatever it took).  At that point she wouldn't be in any worse position than if she'd shot him.  (Shooting him does have the advantage of making him scared of her, but that has the disadvantage of making him tell John).

Just saying that there was another possible option, and she chose to go for the much more violent one. 

Probably. (But then, there is so much foreshadowing on the show that every flower pot could be a pointer to what will happen in S4. )