Will have I look ...

I agree with most that is said in that meta, although I'm still not so sure if Sherlock even tries to enter his Mind Palace when John tells him to - the way he acts at that moment really looks a bit strange to me, but that might just be my personal impression.
I don't even have such a huge problem anymore with the fact that Sherlock tricked John into believing that they both were going to die, because yes, by now I've understood why he did it. BUT I still absolutely hate the way in which he laughs at John - yes, sometimes people laugh because they are nervous or relieved, but this is just too much, IMO.
I actually love this moment, because here I see him to be true and honest and just absolutely loveable:



But before that... it's just too much. Sherlock's "I totally had you!" is not just nervousness, at least not for me. Can't help it.

As I have said before - the real and genuine moment of reconciliation and forgiveness is in the hallway in Baker Street with Sherlock's "I heard you". 

MattlockedI even believe that he knew about the off-switch right from the beginning. The way he tells John later "There's an off-switch. There's [i wrote:

always [/i]an off-switch." sounds so obvious!
Which also would mean that not much genuine is left - at least regarding the bomb.

Exactly what I think.

And that he hided his excuse behind this trick was because he was afraid of another rejection? That's the way I understand it now.
 

I found this meta rather beautiful, it gave me a little peace about that scene:

http://madlori.tumblr.com/post/71892697613/in-which-sherlock-is-a-little-shit

gently69 wrote:

And that he hided his excuse behind this trick was because he was afraid of another rejection? That's the way I understand it now.
 

 
Yes. And "all or nothing". So he used that extreme situation to make John saying what he wouldn't say in normal life. Cover.
But he also took the risk of being rejected completely after that.

SusiGo wrote:

As I have said before - the real and genuine moment of reconciliation and forgiveness is in the hallway in Baker Street with Sherlock's "I heard you". 

 
I agree. But reg. the bomb scene I still wonder what's genuine and what isn't.
I'm right now watching it again. What I see:

"Go, John. Go now."  Genuine? They both should know it's too late to leave, like John says, so I don't know.
The mind palace. Not genuine. Strange behaviour.
The "almost-panic" while searching for.... the off-switch? Genuine? This panic is so unusual for Sherlock!
"I'm sorry." Genuine. But he didn't mean the bomb.
"I can't do it, John. I don't know how.  Forgive me...."  Feelings, again not the bomb. Genuine.
(Look at his face)
"....you'd still have a future. With Mary." He looks sad, hurt. Because of with Mary instead of with him? Don't quite understand this little part, as he knows they won't die.

John: "...yes, of course I forgive you." Sherlock's look afterwards is genuine, as we already saw in that gif above.

Then comes the totally misplaced Anderson-scene...

Then we see the shot again where Sherlock finds the off-switch. At first he really seems to be in trouble, but grins when he finally finds it. So, well, the panic before might have been genuine after all.

And, like Solar, I still don't get the laughing at John. Is a bit too much. A bit lack of respect or however you may call it.

Can he be so reassured by John's confession that he is back to being an arse again in one second? I've got a headache.

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maryagrawatson wrote:

Unlike the Fall roof scene, which I have issues with because I can't trust if any of the emotions (shock, horror, grief, etc.) are genunine and therefore I can't get emotionally involved, I think that everything in this scene, except for the mind palace bit, is genuine.

Mattlocked wrote:

The "almost-panic" while searching for.... the off-switch? Genuine? This panic is so unusual for Sherlock!.

Actually, I believe in this bit becaues of the scene in Scandal in Belgravia where the Americans are threatening to execute John if Sherlock doesn't open the safe. I get very similar vibes in both scenes. You also get a similar vibe earlier in the ep as Sherlock is pulling John out of the bonfire. I think it's  established that Sherlock panics if John is in genuine peril and Sherlock's not sure he can save him.

As for the laughter, which I inappropriately think is hysterical because it's the first time we ever see Sherlock truly lose it in that manner, I'm thinking nerves plus a good amount of his not expressing emotions appropriately. It is so wrong but so Sherlock that I can just imagine John thinking, "I did want the guy alive again, didn't I? Be careful what you wish for! But it's good to have him back..."

Mary

I really like your opinion on the matter. 
I also agree with the post above saying Sherlock created a cover for both himself and John, so they could say some things they normally wouldn´t.

The scene you are talking about happened after he was kidnapped and saved by Sherlock. In this scene Sherlock says "sorry" three times. The last one is really serious and genuine and yet John does not react to it but goes on about the kidnapping. I do not think Sherlock is just thinking about himself. IMO his behaviour shows that he truly wants John's forgiveness.
And the whole of TSoT is an apology to John (and a declaration of love some might say). 

Yes, that may be true. 

Why does it bother you? I do not mind him mentioning it at the wedding. It was a big moment of truth for Sherlock and he wanted to say everything about John he deemed important.