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April 14, 2012 8:27 am  #1


"I don't think so, do you?"

I don’t know yet what to make of Irene’s sentence.
How do you understand it?
What does it refer to?


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April 14, 2012 8:41 am  #2


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

I've always thought that was a weird line too.

They both hear Sherlock's text tone go off, and both realise that he must be in the building. John automatically goes off to try and find him, Irene stops him. But why? 


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April 14, 2012 8:54 am  #3


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

Because she knows, and so does John, that Sherlock neither wants nor needs comforting from John just then. It's always been a straight forward line to me. Demonstration, I guess, the she also knows Sherlock well.


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April 14, 2012 9:10 am  #4


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

What like...he just needs to be on his own right now kind of thing??


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April 14, 2012 9:25 am  #5


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

Yup, exactly


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April 14, 2012 11:29 am  #6


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

He has also heard John deny he is gay and Irene assert that she is gay. He also overheard John declare that 'we are not a couple' and Irene refute that with ' yes you are!'. Apart from learning that Irene is alive, which must be a shock, even for Sherlock, he also hears other things that may be a surprise to him. He also hears Irene say about look at the both of 'us', showing the effect Sherlock has had on both of them. Frankly this may also be a surprise to him as most people remember just tell him to 'Piss off!'

Irene clearly understands that Sherlock needs to be left alone to sort himself out over what has just happened.


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April 14, 2012 2:46 pm  #7


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

There would be no purpose in going after him. He's pretty angry at being fooled.
Irene may also think Sherlock may be upset over what he heard, but we know that's not really true. She may be in love with him but he doesn't fall in love.


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April 14, 2012 6:35 pm  #8


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

He doesn't really have much time to think about it though because when he gets back home he has to deal with the Mrs Hudson situation.


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April 15, 2012 8:33 am  #9


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

How much time does a high functioning sociopath need to think about something so mundane anyway?


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Mycroft’s popularity doesn’t surprise me at all. He is, after all, incredibly beautiful, clever and well-dressed. And beautiful. Did I mention that?
--Mark Gatiss

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
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April 15, 2012 1:23 pm  #10


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

Quite helpful to the CIA guys that both John and Sherlock are out of the building. Bet they wish Sherlock didn't come back!


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October 6, 2012 8:17 am  #11


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

Excuse me?
They are sitting WAITING for his return.
Oh, did you mean afterwards?!


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October 9, 2012 11:29 pm  #12


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

Well, they were in the middle of torturing Mrs Hudson, I'm not sure they were waiting for Sherlock...he just turned up at the right time.


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October 10, 2012 7:08 am  #13


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

Wow, am I really so out of kilter here?
I assumed they set everything up, awaiting Sherlock's return?
So the door was just randomly left open, they just happened to hear/see Sherlock return, so they assembled themselves into a tableau, until he appeared?


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December 18, 2012 11:55 am  #14


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

During this episode which involves the flight of the dead the conspiracy theory surrounding the bombing of Coventry during the second world war by the Luftwaffe is mentioned.
 

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December 18, 2012 12:27 pm  #15


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

besleybean wrote:

Wow, am I really so out of kilter here?
I assumed they set everything up, awaiting Sherlock's return?
So the door was just randomly left open, they just happened to hear/see Sherlock return, so they assembled themselves into a tableau, until he appeared?

They broke in,  probably one or two went straight upstairs & the other went to 'neutralise' Mrs Hudson's interference in their searching. They then dragged her upstairs, and started interogating her as to where the phone was. If they were simply ;aying in wait for Sherlock, why hit an old woman & traumatise her the way they did?
Now not knowing any thugs personally, I would assume the door being left ajar was not something they paid too much attention to; their thoughts were on finding the phone.
I don't recall them being in any 'set' positions when he entered; the main guy was standing over Mrs Hudson, one of the 2 thugs looking out the front window the other standing beside the main guy. Yep they probably heard Sherlock on the squeaky step but by no means is there any indication that they were waiting for him for any length of time.


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Also, please note that sentences can also end in full stops. The exclamation mark can be overused.
Sherlock Holmes 28 March 13:08

Mycroft’s popularity doesn’t surprise me at all. He is, after all, incredibly beautiful, clever and well-dressed. And beautiful. Did I mention that?
--Mark Gatiss

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey
 

February 19, 2013 6:07 pm  #16


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

tobeornot221b wrote:

I don’t know yet what to make of Irene’s sentence.
How do you understand it?
What does it refer to?

John says, "I don't know about Sherlock, but..." and goes on to say he isn't gay.
Irene says that she is gay.
Then the phone goes off and she says, "I don't think so, do you?"

She's obviously talking about the question of Sherlock being gay.

 

February 19, 2013 6:11 pm  #17


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

No, she doesn't want John to follow Sherlock.


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February 22, 2013 6:48 pm  #18


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

I don't really understand why there is any speculation about that line.
I simply thought that Irene knew that Sherlock must be upset after when he had just heard. He'd thought Irene to be dead and John had just told Irene about Sherlock not eating and hardly saying a word for days - she knows how her apparent death had affected him, then she notices that he's there and has probably heard everything they had said, and then he just storms out of the building. He clearly is in shock, probably angry, disappointed, confused - Irene sees that and understands that he now would need some time for himself. So she tells John to give Sherlock some time to calm down.


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February 22, 2013 6:49 pm  #19


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

Quite so.


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February 22, 2013 7:09 pm  #20


Re: "I don't think so, do you?"

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