Because Sherlock was there first and still is in his heart How would John react when he has to choose? Well, he nearly had to, hadn't he? Sherlock then?

SusiGo wrote:

I hope so. And I hope that one day he really will have to choose and make the right decision. 

Oh yes, please!
Let me just say, of course John had to go on with his life, and that's totally fine and understandable. Then again, 'going on with your life' can mean so many things and doesn't automatically imply that he needs to find himself a girl. But now that he has, let's hope that in S4 that whole Mary debacle might bring the boys even closer together again, because in S3 there certainly is love between Sherlock and John... but I need more!
 

And I didn't say that I don't understand it. I just said that there are lots of possibilities.

Find himself a boy, Solar?
He had to find someone to get the love he needed.

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gently69 wrote:

Find himself a boy, Solar?
He had to find someone to get the love he needed.

No, not "find himself a boy". When I'm talking about various possibilities I'm not exclusively thinking about a woman or a man for him. There are so many ways in which you can go on with your life after such a tragic loss. And yes, finding someone to love is probably the best and most beautiful way, but it's not the only way.
And well, look what it got him... he was happy for a short while... is he happy now?
 

SolarSystem wrote:

gently69 wrote:

Find himself a boy, Solar?
He had to find someone to get the love he needed.

No, not "find himself a boy". When I'm talking about various possibilities I'm not exclusively thinking about a woman or a man for him. There are so many ways in which you can go on with your life after such a tragic loss. And yes, finding someone to love is probably the best and most beautiful way, but it's not the only way.
And well, look what it got him... he was happy for a short while... is he happy now?
 

But he didn't know that before. He couldn't know that.
How can you compensate a loss of someone who you loved? Staying alone doesn't seem an option to me. After a while looking for someone new seems absolutely normal to me. Did you expect John to stay alone?
 

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Lazarus wrote:

I think there some interesting thoughts about Marys role in here:
http://sylviatietjens.co.vu/post/73460662599/another-three-episodes-another-series-finished

I don't agree with all of it but it puts some questions and insights in my head

Very long and interesting, indeed. Although I have to say that we've been over most, if not even all of the things the author mentions in our various threads about S3/HLV/Mary. So it all sounded quite familiar to me.
And since this is not a thread about Mary, just let me say quickly: What I wouldn't agree with is to take what CAM says about Mary as a fact. It is CAM after all, and we have no way of knowing if he's telling the truth or if he's exaggerating.

gently, I didn't expect John to do anything, to be honest. Lots of things could have happened to him and yes, staying alone, for whatever reasons, could have been one of those things. And please, I'm not saying that he should have stayed alone and mourned Sherlock for the rest of his life. And right, he couldn't know about Mary and what would happen because of her. And he couldn't know that Sherlock was still alive.
I'm just saying (one last time) that you can go on with your life after such a tragic loss in all kinds of ways. Some people stay alone for years and years after losing their husband or wife. And not all of them stay unhappy for years and years. To some people 'staying alone' just happens and they have to live with it.
 

gently69 wrote:

"To some people 'staying alone' just happens and they have to live with it."
That's not John, not for me.

Yes, well, Mary probably 'happened' to John the same/similar way that Sherlock did.
John: "Nothing happens to me" and being ready to just suffer for the rest of his days, and then along comes Sherlock/Mary.
 

gently69 wrote:

Lazarus wrote:

I think there some interesting thoughts about Marys role in here:
http://sylviatietjens.co.vu/post/73460662599/another-three-episodes-another-series-finished

I don't agree with all of it but it puts some questions and insights in my head

Yeah, really a long one. Something to print out and read in the bus again.
 

It's when I find things like that, that I'm not unhappy about being unemployed Other times, not equally happy about that ;)
 

I miss some of the best conversations being in a different time zone!  *pout*

Anyway.  I watched ASiB last night for the first time in awhile and people who say Sherlock was in love with Irene aren't paying close attention.  

When he's doing the airplane deduction and Irene is leaning in to kiss his cheek.  The moment he finishes speaking his eyes go right to John!  Did John hear that, is he impressed, did I do well John? . 

How long does he sit in his chair plucking his violin not even aware that Irene is staring at him?  And when he does refocus on the world the first thing he wants to know is Where's John?

John is his anchor, his main source of validation and support.