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Lilythiell · January 9, 2016 12:39 am

Pink!

This Is The Phantom Lady · January 9, 2016 12:45 am

Well, obviously theres A Study in Pink... Pink can be associated with gay men, Pink also has refferences to... excuse my bluntness here; but, anal play *coughs all shy* ... and in my fan fic (non Johnlock sorry) Pink is the main character's Safe Word...

So, it would have to be pink...

SusiGo · January 9, 2016 11:52 am

May I just throw in one of my fav quotes which fits quite well with what we get in TAB:

I have this theory. I wanted Holmes homosexual and not admitting it to anyone, including maybe even himself. The burden of keeping it a secret was the reason he took dope.

It is by Billy Wilder who made "The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes". We know it is one of Mark's favourite films. And Steven also loves it. IMO our Sherlock is a 21st century further development of what they love about Wilder's Holmes. So please do not tell me they would get stuck where Wilder left off.

Harriet · January 9, 2016 12:08 pm

And didn't they say they wanted to make it better?

*goes to sig storage right away*

tonnaree · January 9, 2016 2:48 pm

Phantom is now an official member of the OSAJ! *tosses rainbow confetti and pink glitter*

Feel free to express your aggressive johnlockness in what ever festive way amuses you.

Lilythiell · January 9, 2016 2:51 pm

Let's party!
*hands cookies and a glass of whisky*

tonnaree · January 9, 2016 3:00 pm

*strips to her knickers and flails around the room*

This Is The Phantom Lady · January 9, 2016 3:31 pm

* joins the party and ignores the fact that she's spending the weekend with her homophobic and racist family and flails around in rainbow colours*

That quote is such a beautiful thing!

mrshouse · January 9, 2016 4:49 pm

Yay, a new sister! Welcome, Phantom, welcome.
No party without music. Sing with me!

Hell is gone and heaven's here
There's nothing left for you to fear
Shake your ass, come over here, now scream!

*passing the mike*

Harriet · January 9, 2016 5:06 pm

Lily posted this link here https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3lboit_sherlock-full-tarmac-scene_tv in the STAB thread
which leads to a film edit of HLV and TAB by superoreoman - all the tarmac scenes in one view.

Made me discover some tiny details:

When saying goodbye
JOHN: And then what?
SHERLOCK: Who knows?
Then we hear the John music theme, as first heard in ASIP, stands for John being all alone and depressed. We might ask if he's indeed looking forward to going home with Mary.

When John shouts, having seen Sherlock's list:
JOHN: You could die!
I wonder what had kept him quiet just a couple of minutes before when the situation was so similar. Sherlock going on that mission - he could die.

Mycroft saying:
MYCROFT: This was my fault.
my M-Theory bells rang and wouldn't stop.

Finally, is it just me or does the plane indeed look phallic when in the back of Sherlock?

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tonnaree · January 9, 2016 5:17 pm

This Is The Phantom Lady wrote:
* joins the party and ignores the fact that she's spending the weekend with her homophobic and racist family and flails around in rainbow colours*

That quote is such a beautiful thing!

Which quote?

SusiGo · January 9, 2016 5:25 pm

@Harriet:

1.

2. I think John either truly did not know how dangerous the mission would be or he suppressed the knowledge because it would be unbearable to lose Sherlock for good.
The list and the probable OD, however, are tangible and proven by Sherlock's own hand and Mycroft's experience. This is something John as a doctor can grasp whereas on the tarmac he is just the helpless friend who cannot fight against the government or the secret service.

3. Yes!!!

Quite so. And there is a dark opening beside his head.

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Harriet · January 9, 2016 5:36 pm

If we combine 1 and 2, 1 might be a foreshadowing of Sherlock's death touching John's mind, but perhaps he indeed suppressed that knowledge, as you said. Since we know in what state he was at the beginning of ASIP. (I guess it is also a TRF music theme, but can't quite recall it.) He has no one truly to rely on except for Sherlock.

3 leads me back to the idea of opening an M-Theory Thread. Once more

Lilythiell · January 9, 2016 5:42 pm

Do we really think he's looking forward to going home with Mary? What with all those months of silence and everything?

I think that what kept him quiet mere moments ago on the tarmac was that he was having too many emotions -and since Sherlock has kept on saying that emotions are a failing, he doesn't want to appear weak before his ...well, before his friend. That, and the fact that he didn't know just how dangerous Sherlock's undercover mission was supposed to be.
What enables him to do so afterwards is, I think, the fact that Mycroft and Mary being here, and witnessed it, freed something in him. After all, there's no reason Mycroft would react, i.e. show his "weakness" (he is a Holmes who boasts that caring is not an advantage) and not him.

SusiGo · January 9, 2016 5:43 pm

You seem to be determined to make me even sadder, Harriet. Personally, I think John suppresses his feelings in the face of Sherlock's probable death. He does not tell John that it is death mission but says that they probably will not see each other again. So him dying is at least implied. And John does not know how to cope with that. Losing Sherlock again after all that has happened is simply too much and for Captain-I cannot talk about feelings-British-stiff upper lip Watson this is the only way of coping. This is at least my reading of John in this scene.

Feel free to open one.

Harriet · January 9, 2016 5:58 pm

Now I'm crying, too, Susi...

Lily, that tiny little music theme made me realise John will indeed feel very lonely with Mary, and that he senses that. He's not at all looking forward to going home with her and the baby.

Lily, have you read M-Theory, btw?

Lilythiell · January 9, 2016 6:02 pm

Erm, not till the end I'm afraid. I had begun translating it -because of reasons- and then had to stop because of, well, real-life.
But I found it very, very interesting. And very, very true. I need to read it again -and till the end, this time.

Harriet · January 9, 2016 6:06 pm

I find it amazing that it seemingly also works for STAB. But I forgot most of the details, to be honest.
It's never been discussed here a lot, though.

SusiGo · January 9, 2016 6:06 pm

I will have to read it again before discussing it in detail but a thread is always welcome.

Btw, the by now deleted Moriarty-in-221b video on John's blog shows clearly that there is a close connection between blog and show. Because in TAB Sherlock's mentions Moriarty stealthily coming into the flat. I just mention this because M-Theory extensively draws from the blog.

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Harriet · January 9, 2016 6:08 pm

I would also need to read it again - and have not much time at the moment...

Oh, great! So it's possible to just watch the show but following the blog will give reliable extra info, it seems

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