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September 29, 2015 11:28 am  #5041


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Thanks for posting this. When watching TSOF I was quite struck with the omitted engagement and marriage and this is a very insightful interpretation. 

And there is definitely a parallel between Granada and BBC: both teams were obviously not happy with the Canon version and decided not to use it. So one team omitted Mary Morstan completely while the other turned her into a villain, an obstacle for their relationship. Same motive, just different means. 

Last edited by SusiGo (September 29, 2015 11:31 am)


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September 29, 2015 11:33 am  #5042


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Referring to TSoT and not the other version, I know a lot of people were surprised that Mofftiss omitted showing Mary and John's actual vows/ceremony, but to me that was perfectly understandable? They didn't need to show it, as Moffat says, if something doesn't advance the plot then get rid of it.  We knew they were going to get married, we don't need to see it. It wouldn't have added anything else to the plot.

 

September 29, 2015 11:38 am  #5043


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

This is true. The funny thing, however, is that we get all the important things - rehearsing the wedding waltz, the proposal, the vows, etc. - but for John and Sherlock, not the married couple. So I agree with you that we do not need to see the ceremony as such but it is interesting how all the traditional elements of a wedding are transferred to these two men. 

There is a nice meta with pics for this on tumblr and also an interesting comparison of how groom/best man and two grooms usually dress. I am sure you can guess which version Sherlock and John chose. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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September 29, 2015 11:39 am  #5044


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)


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September 29, 2015 11:43 am  #5045


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

haha. Well, in my eyes, it was very obvious that while the actual wedding was between Mary and John, the 'symbolic' wedding was between John and Sherlock. Mary basically acted as a stand-in for Sherlock...everything, from John's 'best man' proposal, to Sherlock organising the wedding right down to the handerchiefs and colour of the bridesmaids' dresses, even to the first dance - which Mary danced but with Sherlock firmly in the picture playing his violin.... and let's not forget, to Sherlock making his first and only vow. I mean...

 

September 29, 2015 11:52 am  #5046


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Yes, yes, and yes. I have no idea how anyone can watch this episode and think it is about the romantic marriage between John and Mary.
And there is also the dance metaphor as a red thread: Sherlock rehearsing alone, his confession about loving to dance, "we cannot all three dance, there are limits", John making his cruel joke about "behind closed curtains", Sherlock leaving while the others are dancing … Now I made myself sad again. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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September 29, 2015 12:33 pm  #5047


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

I was watching TSoT last night and I had to stop before the first dance.  I like it better when it ends right after they catch the photographer. 


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September 29, 2015 12:34 pm  #5048


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Very sensible. I have no idea why I keep torturing myself. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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September 29, 2015 1:56 pm  #5049


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Regarding the dress code - I found this and it is quite funny to compare it with TSOT:

The best man is the leader of the groom’s men. He is the right hand of the groom and the date for the maid of honor (LOL). His outfit should complement the groom’s without matching exactly and without overwhelming the groom’s (well, Sherlock, did you read this?). The groom and the best man typically chose their suits (or tuxedos) on the same day and from the same tailor (so John knew about the identical suits, I suppose?). If that’s not possible, the best man should find out what the groom is wearing and have his tailor work with that.

Think of it like this. The best man’s suit or tuxedo is one step removed from the groom (again, nope). If the groom is wearing a white dinner jacket, the best man should wear black. If the groom is wearing a double breasted coat, the best man should wear a single breasted. If the groom wears a red rose, the best man should wear a white one. (no comment)

Source: http://blog.knotstandard.com/best-man-wear/


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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September 29, 2015 2:27 pm  #5050


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

is this for the UK?

Anyway, yes, I mean I've never seen a groom and best man dressed EXACTLY the same. We see what you did there, Mofftiss, don't think that we don't!

 

September 29, 2015 3:15 pm  #5051


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Yes, it is. In Germany this works completely different, but in many British weddings this seems to be traditional.


Not sure if this works completely but finally an explanation I can live with:

http://the-secret-life-in-221b.tumblr.com/post/130133137743/john-choosing-mary


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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September 30, 2015 8:25 am  #5052


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)


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I cannot live without brainwork. What else is there to live for? Stand at the window there. Was there ever such a dreary, dismal, unprofitable world? See how the yellow fog swirls down the street and drifts across the dun-coloured houses. What could be more hopelessly prosaic and material? What is the use of having powers, Doctor, when one has no field upon which to exert them?

 

September 30, 2015 9:21 am  #5053


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)


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I cannot live without brainwork. What else is there to live for? Stand at the window there. Was there ever such a dreary, dismal, unprofitable world? See how the yellow fog swirls down the street and drifts across the dun-coloured houses. What could be more hopelessly prosaic and material? What is the use of having powers, Doctor, when one has no field upon which to exert them?

 

October 5, 2015 12:04 pm  #5054


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)


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I cannot live without brainwork. What else is there to live for? Stand at the window there. Was there ever such a dreary, dismal, unprofitable world? See how the yellow fog swirls down the street and drifts across the dun-coloured houses. What could be more hopelessly prosaic and material? What is the use of having powers, Doctor, when one has no field upon which to exert them?

 

October 5, 2015 12:31 pm  #5055


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Rofl 
Very accurate!


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October 5, 2015 12:32 pm  #5056


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Great find. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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October 7, 2015 7:08 am  #5057


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

No, John  is definitely always fine about Sherlock and women. Here is definite proof:

http://sannapersikka.tumblr.com/post/130534286500


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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October 7, 2015 8:01 am  #5058


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Absolutely. He is so happy for Sherlock.


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I cannot live without brainwork. What else is there to live for? Stand at the window there. Was there ever such a dreary, dismal, unprofitable world? See how the yellow fog swirls down the street and drifts across the dun-coloured houses. What could be more hopelessly prosaic and material? What is the use of having powers, Doctor, when one has no field upon which to exert them?

 

October 8, 2015 8:03 am  #5059


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)


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I cannot live without brainwork. What else is there to live for? Stand at the window there. Was there ever such a dreary, dismal, unprofitable world? See how the yellow fog swirls down the street and drifts across the dun-coloured houses. What could be more hopelessly prosaic and material? What is the use of having powers, Doctor, when one has no field upon which to exert them?

 

October 8, 2015 8:06 am  #5060


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Absolutely brilliant!


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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