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April 26, 2015 11:42 am  #4241


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)


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April 26, 2015 12:05 pm  #4242


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

What a terrible inhuman creature.


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April 26, 2015 12:20 pm  #4243


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

I don't see those as mutually exclusive. To me it's quite clear that Sherlock is brutal. He is also caring, vulnerable and sometimes almost soft. It's not either/or, it's both. Which is what makes him such a complex and interesting character, I think.


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April 26, 2015 12:27 pm  #4244


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No. But according to Benedict he is only like that.


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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April 26, 2015 12:30 pm  #4245


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

I don't believe that is what he meant, he has always said that Sherlock is a complex person who is capable of being both good and bad. 


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April 26, 2015 12:36 pm  #4246


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

In about every interview I have read he keeps emphasising how brutal and sociopathic and ruthless Sherlock is. He hardly ever mentions Sherlock's other side.


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
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April 26, 2015 12:39 pm  #4247


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

That's because he is brutal and ruthless (but not a sosiopath). I have never heard Ben mention anywhere about that being all he is. In one of the earlier interviews he even called him "clearly a hero".

I think perhaps he focuses on that part of Sherlock because the fans tend to romantice him a bit too much. Same thing happened with Draco in Harry Potter. He was written to be this spoiled, bratty and horrible kid. But partly because of how he was written and partly because he was played by a handsome actor, fans were all gooey over him, romanticising him and writing emo fanfics about him. J.K. Rowling was shocked and went out publically to really state that was NOT her intent for the character.

I think Sherlock might be going through something similar, and that is why Ben feels he has to state that Sherlock isn't just fluff and kittens.

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April 26, 2015 4:10 pm  #4248


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I understand what you mean Vhanja, but I must side with Susi here. Benedict could so easily speak about the complexity of Sherlock´s character, but usually he immediatelly jumps to "Sherlock is awful" vibe like a broken gramophone disk. It sets my teeth on edge. Interesting that Moriarty, that man who blows old ladies up for fun, is never described that way....

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April 26, 2015 4:24 pm  #4249


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

If he does that, it could be because of what I wrote in my previous post. But perhaps we've seen different interviews, because that is not the impression I have from what I*ve seen of Ben talking about Sherlock.


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April 26, 2015 4:38 pm  #4250


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...okay, so let me bring this back on topic for just a sec...




http://hislastbough.tumblr.com/post/53153905728/i-had-no-idea-you-would-be-so-affected


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April 26, 2015 4:40 pm  #4251


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

Wonderful, Solar. 


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April 26, 2015 4:41 pm  #4252


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Oh, that was lovely. 


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April 26, 2015 4:43 pm  #4253


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And now, look at John here. Totally breaks my heart... these two guys just don't get it together. At least not yet.

http://holmeswatsoned.tumblr.com/post/107715490386


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April 26, 2015 4:46 pm  #4254


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

SolarSystem wrote:

And now, look at John here. Totally breaks my heart... these two guys just don't get it together. At least not yet.

http://holmeswatsoned.tumblr.com/post/107715490386

He´s so atuned to Sherlock´s pain here and yet remains unnoticed himself.... yes, it´s sad. 
 


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April 26, 2015 4:50 pm  #4255


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)



Alright!  Apparently ASiB did not end originally where it ended.  Gatiss wrote a scene where Irene forces Sherlock to strip at gun point so that she can use his clothes for disguise.  Please note the line "I hope you know this doesn't mean I'm interested in you."   

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April 26, 2015 4:54 pm  #4256


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That´s intersting! Such a pity that it was never filmed - would be funny! 


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I cannot live without brainwork. What else is there to live for? Stand at the window there. Was there ever such a dreary, dismal, unprofitable world? See how the yellow fog swirls down the street and drifts across the dun-coloured houses. What could be more hopelessly prosaic and material? What is the use of having powers, Doctor, when one has no field upon which to exert them?

 

April 26, 2015 5:00 pm  #4257


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

And that's the wrap on Sherlock being attracted by her and only her...


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Eventually everyone will support Johnlock.


"If you're not reading the subtext then hell mend you"  -  Steven Moffat
"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

 

April 26, 2015 5:41 pm  #4258


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mrshouse wrote:

And that's the wrap on Sherlock being attracted by her and only her...

Just saying.......................


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I ship it harder than Mrs. Hudson.
    
 
 

April 26, 2015 9:28 pm  #4259


Re: The comprehensive Johnlock guide (Johnlockers only)

mrshouse wrote:

Wonderfully put, nakahara. And very platonic

Now that I think about it, Plato had to know Sherlock and John. Look, he described them in one of his dialogues:
 
And when one of them meets with his other half, the actual half of himself, whether he be a lover of youth or a lover of another sort, the pair are lost in an amazement of love and friendship and intimacy, and would not be out of the other's sight, as I may say, even for a moment: these are the people who pass their whole lives together; yet they could not explain what they desire of one another. For the intense yearning which each of them has towards the other does not appear to be the desire of lover's intercourse, but of something else which the soul of either evidently desires and cannot tell, and of which she has only a dark and doubtful presentiment.
 
Suppose Hephaestus, with his instruments, to come to the pair who are lying side by side and to say to them, "What do you people want of one another?" they would be unable to explain. And suppose further, that when he saw their perplexity he said: "Do you desire to be wholly one; always day and night to be in one another's company? For if this is what you desire, I am ready to melt you into one and let you grow together, so that being two you shall become one, and while you live a common life as if you were a single man, and after your death in the world below still be one departed soul instead of two - I ask whether this is what you lovingly desire, and whether you are satisfied to attain this?"- there is not a man of them who when he heard the proposal would deny or would not acknowledge that this meeting and melting into one another, this becoming one instead of two, was the very expression of his ancient need.“
 
(Plato: Symposium)
 
John´s and Sherlock´s love is platonic indeed. 
 


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April 26, 2015 9:48 pm  #4260


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aka The Greek Way 

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