I basically agree with you, Zatoichi, although I am not sure that this is where they will be going in the long run. They have also said more than once that they see the relationship of Sherlock and John at the core of the show, exactly as it was in Canon. I do not mind introducing other characters and developing the existing ones. And I like how Molly and Mrs Hudson are used to reflect and explain various things about the main characters. But I really do not expect them to go for trio of crime solving psycho/socio- or whatever paths in the long run. 
 

As for realism - here is an interesting quote on the subject of genre I read today:

I think what this comes down to, ultimately, is genre. Which is an interesting thing to talk about in relation to Sherlock, because I think it has a massive effect on the audience’s ability to understand and consume the show to its fullest. For example, it really annoys me how much criticism of the show I’ve seen essentially treats it as a crime procedural drama like, say, Law and Order. Sherlock isn’t even remotely that kind of story. Procedurals generally attempt a sort of psychological realism, with ‘realistic’ consequences for behavior, etc. Sherlock, on the other hand, is a mystery show with noir and romantic elements and a heroic arc, which is a completely different beast. Just so we’re clear, mystery ≠ crime drama. Mysteries like the original Sherlock Holmes, like Poe’s Dupin, like Agatha Christie’s stories, revolve around frankly ridiculous crimes, people, and premises. That’s kinda half the fun.

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Swanpride wrote:

(how dare she!!!!!)

 
Could we leave the sarcasm aside, please? We have tried to stick to serious discussions and though it got heated always managed in the end over the last days. Thank you.
You talk mainly about the Mary we see in the first two episodes, I talk about the Mary we get to see in HLV, because she's the Mary we get for Hiatus. Her screen time is way more than Molly's or Mrs. Hudson's here, and her case was not involved at the very beginning for example, when she runs after John. But the task is very much set up by the writers that she is someone we have to love. We never had to go to those lengths with the others, so I see her somewhere in between, not really main, not really supporting character. Which leads me to the assumption that she might become more than the other supporting characters. And again, as a fan I'm entitled not to like that dynamic.

Vhanja wrote:

The cases, the mystery, the policework, Sherlock's abilities that borders on magic sometimes - I am fine with all of that being slightly unrealistic. That is what the show is. But I would still be bothered if they ordered a cup of coffee and never drank it, or if John got a wife we never saw.

To me, it´s an inherent logic established in the fictional world that matters.

For example, unfinished cup of cofee wouldn´t bother me if it was not relevant to the storyline.

But if a character, who until this moment was brilliant and who can immediately deduce that a random guy is "an expectant father" from the mere glance on him, completely misses it that a person who is constantly around him is a trained CIA agent (that means, he becomes completely oblivious and blind where this new character is involved), I percieve it as a flaw and the corruption of laws on which this fictional world was built.

Yeah, he's always missed things. And he didn't miss it because Mary is "better" than him. He missed it because he wanted to like her, because of John. That is confirmed by the writers.

So, nothing about being "premature", thank you.
To quote the writers, Mary can go six months without trouble, not seven.
To quote AA, how cool for the baby to have an assassin mom and an adrenaline addicted dad, nothing to fear.
To quote John's blog, Mary insisted on coming with the men for a case.
So the beginning of HLV doesn't exactly look like an exemption to me.

Edit: forgot to mention that she ran after the men at the wedding.

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Swanpride wrote:

It's not like Sherlock didn't miss things before...the Cabbie initially, that John was kidnapped right behind his back, that "Jim from IT" was Moriaty, he was also wrong about the sugar and, above all, he misread Irene Adler. Because his feelings were involved. Him misreading Mary (actually, not misreading her but missing an important detail) fits along the same line.

Sugar was just a working hypothesis that was tried and discarded. Sherlock spent but a mere minutes with a cabbie and maybe a few hours with both Jim and Irene. He spent days and months in Mary´s presence. The imbalance is felt quite strongly here.
 

We´ll have to wait and see how the show turns out.. but that they intend to "increase their family" is a direct quote of Mark Gatiss. As is that Mary can´t live for seven months without danger/excitement. It doesn´t necessarily mean that Mary will be part of the crime-solving team, but that she´ll be around and will take part in the story. Then we possibly get the baby, and Wiggins.. not much use to speculate right now, but for me it sounds as if there will be a lot of exceptional characters around.

Edit: Cross-posted with you, mrshouse, I see you already made the same points.. 

The time frame from the BP to their first meeting is merely a day, he says to Mycroft that he will have the compromising pictures back by " tomorrow night". After that I'm not sure we get hints as to the time frame.

nakahara wrote:

 If Sherlock doesn´t notice this until the moment Mary shoots him, then the basic law of this show ("Sherlock is a brilliant detective with a keen eye on details from which he can deduce facts") is broken.
 

I disagree. Sherlock is brilliant, but he isn't omnipotent. Whatever he saw, he dismissed because he wanted to like her - for John's sake. He failed because of sentiment. Sentiment made his brilliance as a deducive detective lessen.