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December 22, 2014 7:29 pm  #1181


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Not yet up on entire canon.  Who is Callan?


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December 22, 2014 7:31 pm  #1182


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Mary persuaded Sherlock that the texts that were sent to her were just a joke from her friends and made him goof uselessly by the bonfire in which John was burning.
John then crawled out on his own through the other side.
Here is the photographical evidence:



See? Mary was a villain from the very start. 

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December 22, 2014 7:32 pm  #1183


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Hahaha, lovely pic!


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December 22, 2014 8:08 pm  #1184


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

tonnaree wrote:

Not yet up on entire canon.  Who is Callan?

I assumed they meant the TV series "Callan" about "a reluctant professional killer".  

From Arianne de Vere - the transcript of the HLV commentary:

Mark: “We had to think, has Mary herself made a decision to change her life? I mean, she meets John Watson and she thinks he’s a very decent man. Is she actually intending to go straight ...”
Sue: “I think so.”
Mark: “... or is it always murky?”
Steven: “My feeling was [that], a bit like John, she can’t really keep away from that. She fits in with these two blokes because she’s got exactly the same problem. ‘I can spend six months without having an adventure, but not seven.’ What other wife is gonna be sending John out to play with Sherlock, and then tagging along? The way she behaves in ‘The Sign of Three’ is preposterous for a bride at a wedding. She likes that world better.”
Mark: “In my head, though, she’s sort of like Callan. She’s a troubled assassin. I don’t want to think she’s being totally evil.”
Steven: “I think the Callan comparison’s terrific – the idea that she’s done bad things but not because that’s what she wants to do.”

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December 22, 2014 8:11 pm  #1185


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Just this.


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December 22, 2014 8:24 pm  #1186


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Ah, thank you.


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December 27, 2014 9:43 am  #1187


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Was watching HLV for the umpteeenth time. I realized that in canon Mary was first Sherlock and John's client and then later John's wife. But here he was first John's wife and then was reduced to a client. Interesting. 


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December 27, 2014 10:23 am  #1188


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

But then reinstated to wife!


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December 27, 2014 10:42 am  #1189


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Interesting point!   I also noticed that Mary is only really seen in the story up until the point where she and John get engaged - then the wedding and everything is "off-screen".  In BBC Sherlock, it's the other way round - we don't see Mary at all until the point where she gets engaged to John (well, sort of - Sherlock interrupts it), then we continue to see her right through the wedding and beyond. 

 

December 27, 2014 10:52 am  #1190


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December 27, 2014 6:37 pm  #1191


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Liberty wrote:

...then we continue to see her right through the wedding and beyond. 

I'd like to point out (again) that we don't see her right through the wedding. We only see her right through the planning before and right through the celebration afterwards.

Why ever that might be.


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December 27, 2014 6:46 pm  #1192


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

A 90 minute detective show that's called Sherlock?


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December 27, 2014 6:49 pm  #1193


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

I am sure they could have shown parts of the vow, exchanging rings and  the kiss within 60 seconds. Yet, they didn't.

And to come back to the topic, part of the reason is surely their focus on what Mary is and what not.

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December 27, 2014 6:54 pm  #1194


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Yes, I agree with you on the last part.


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December 27, 2014 7:04 pm  #1195


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Really interesting. If you look closely there really is nothing left of Canon Mary - not even her name which is false, and not even the fact that she marries John Watson because the marriage is probably null and void as she married under a false name/identity. 

The only thing that has been taken from Canon is A.G.R.A. - there a treasure which does not exist anymore, here an (alleged) name on a flash drive about which we to not learn anything. Sherlock Mary remains a strangly blank character. 


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December 27, 2014 7:11 pm  #1196


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Though John remains happy to stay with her.


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December 27, 2014 7:17 pm  #1197


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Do you really see happiness in him during HLV?


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December 27, 2014 7:19 pm  #1198


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Well to be fair, there's  not a lot to be happy about.
But they're still together.

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December 27, 2014 7:19 pm  #1199


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

On the tarmac he is happiest when the plane turns around. 

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December 27, 2014 7:21 pm  #1200


Re: My thoughts about Mary (all episodes)

Surely that's the happiest moment for everybody on the tarmac and everybody watching the moment?


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