Vhanja wrote:

Liberty wrote:

But since she shot him, Sherlock has gone on to put his life on the line for her, literally - he knew that shooting Magnussen would result in life imprisonment (where he might be killed, it's suggested) or almost certain death on Mycroft's mission.  A "thank you" might have been polite .

I don't think he did it for her, he did it for John.

And she might have thanked him off-camera. 

Possibly, and she's warm towards him at the airport, but I think that if it happened, the "thank you" scene should have been included - because it's such a huge thing.   First of all he has unwittingly sacrificed himself for her (when she shoots him), and then he sacrifices himself again for her.   It's also for John and the baby-on-the-way (he vowed to protect the three of them), and Mycroft actually, possibly, and others.   But the name he mentions is Mary's.   I'd love to have a scene where she said the slightest thing about him protecting her, protecting her relationship with John, saving her life at the cost of his own, etc.  The fact that all that is left out makes her seem much more sinister.

Last edited by Liberty (December 13, 2014 3:44 pm)

She doesn't know that he jeopardised his life. And my suspicion for series four is that the events will have forged a very deep bond between Mary and Sherlock. 

silverblaze wrote:

She doesn't know that he jeopardised his life. And my suspicion for series four is that the events will have forged a very deep bond between Mary and Sherlock. 

 

That's what I definitely wouldn't like to see. For me Sherlock and John should stay the main characters and at the tarmac you feel very much that their friendship is shattered and just a shadow of what it used to be. They have enough to work emotionally without a third lead.

That is one of my absolute favoutite bits on the commentaries...only that it makes me laugh, I do NOT agree with Magnussen's murder.
But as Steven points out: Mary is much smarter than Sherlock,he stops her doing to Magnussen what it takes him an hour longer to get around to doing!

True.

You really do.

mrshouse wrote:

silverblaze wrote:

She doesn't know that he jeopardised his life. And my suspicion for series four is that the events will have forged a very deep bond between Mary and Sherlock. 

 

That's what I definitely wouldn't like to see. For me Sherlock and John should stay the main characters and at the tarmac you feel very much that their friendship is shattered and just a shadow of what it used to be. They have enough to work emotionally without a third lead.

I totally agree. And I hope that we won't see a deep bond between Sherlock and Mary, and that there is more to this whole "Sherlock and John have forgiven Mary"-thing than one might think from what we've seen so far.
 

@ Solar .Certainly nothing in either the commentaries or the Chronicles indicate that...quite the opposite in fact.
They are in a close three way bond.
@ silverblaze: no, apparently not!

Last edited by besleybean (December 13, 2014 11:08 pm)

silverblaze wrote:

mrshouse wrote:

If they wanted all the viewers to understand and forgive Mary I wish they had not shown her in the second half of HLV as they have. Snarky, never remorseful, threatening, ugly.

Interesting how different we interpret things. I saw her primarily as scared and worried and the snark as a reaction to that fear. I thought it was masterfully played. 
 

I saw both, her being scared and worried and still never remorseful and threatening. Threatening especially while she was still on top of her game, scared and worried after Sherlock exposed her. I guess that´s mainly why her emotions at the reconciliation don´t really get to me - she´s just relieved for herself. She´s not relieved for Sherlock at the hospital, she is dead-cold at Leinster Gardens and during their "domestic" in 221b she doesn´t exactly show concern or sympathy for her husband whose world just fell apart around him (yet another time). I guess that´s the reasons why I perceive her as self-centered - but I fully acknowledge that it might just be the writer´s idea of how a sexy bad-ass ex-assassin reacts to everthing that happened. Or a build-up to the "surgery"-plot twist, to make it even more surprising.

I think they already tried to establish a special bond between Sherlock and Mary in S3.. and while I see what´s going on I must confess I absolutely don´t feel it. Everyone seems to be reconciled.. either it´s a plan (I recently read that the original story of "His Last Bow" is about Holmes pretending to be on the side of a spy in order to draw him out?) or I´m just out of sync with the show´s emotional core. Either way I´m patiently awaiting S4 to make it clear.. (as apparently we can´t count on the special).