Well, when she's sitting in the clients' chair at 221B, there is something almost disciplinary about it.

Yes, excellent! 

Well she's very pergnant and currently all parties seem very reconciled.

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SusiGo wrote:

But then I wonder why so many fans do not seem very happy with the outcome of HLV. 

What outcome is it fans aren't happy about?
 

Exactly. The tarmac scene when John holds hands with Mary feels nothing but plainly wrong for me. She's not on the side of the angels there. And Sherlock is all alone and tries to keep up the facade by joking and making John smile and not suffer.

SusiGo wrote:

I think quite a lot of people feel uncomfortable with the surface reading that Mary is forgiven by Sherlock and John although she never apologised and never gave a plausible explanation for what she did and not once expresses her love for John. That she does not have to do anything but wait and watch and let the others do the emotional work for her. That Sherlock sacrifices his life for the woman who nearly killed him and is sent off to his death and only called back at the very last minute while sitting in a plane with tears in his eyes. 

I don't think he even really gets a thank you from her either, does he?  She must know what happened and why - she's very clever.  And she possibly even has an inkling that he's going off to probable death on the plane ... she knows a lot more about that world than John does. 

We really needed more from her (I mean, if we're going to trust her) in S3.  Maybe all will become clear in S4.  But we only really get the selected bits of information from Sherlock and Magnussen.  She's still a mystery and I feel as if she hasn't told us anything about herself yet. 

 

But since she shot him, Sherlock has gone on to put his life on the line for her - he knew that shooting Magnussen would result in life imprisonment (where he might be killed, it's suggested) or almost certain death on Mycroft's mission.  A "thank you" might have been polite .

(Yes, he does it for himself and John and other people as well.  But his words are something like "Tell Mary she's safe now" - he makes it clear that she's central.   Accepting/forgiving Mary also means accepting her a client - and Sherlock has not only taken her on a client in a way, but has completed her job of killing Magnussen while taking the blame for her.).

Last edited by Liberty (December 13, 2014 1:43 pm)

Vhanja wrote:

I think she doesn't need to apologize anymore because Sherlock and John have forgiven her a long time ago (for the shooting, that is). This is one of those things where Sherlock definitly lets his intellect control his emotions. He doesn't get caught up in anger/hurt/shock of her shooting him, he understands why and thus he is fine with it.

 
This is what I have the biggest trouble with. It makes no sense whatsoever and the full second half of HLV Mary does exactly nothing to deserve this. And if the Mofftiss leave the storyline at that I'll have very much trouble to keep watching.
And @besleybean, this is why she's not on the side of the angels, she wins on the tarmac, she's not left alone, she has John, but did nothing to achieve it.

I think Sherlock still loves Mary and has forgiven her. I think he sacrificed himself for both of them, not just John. But also: he already hated Magnussen with a passion. Quite possibly his disgust just got the better of him. 

And whole chunks of the stories happen offscreen, it seems to be part of their style. 

But the Christmas reconciliation is just beautiful.