nakahara wrote:

Willow wrote:

besleybean wrote:

Huh?
Sherlock has tried to make her safe.

Sherlock betrayed her to John, damaged her ego and placed her in the position where she had to be the supplicant.

Remember, this is a woman who sees nothing wrong with killing people if she thinks they should die; she has a massive ego, and she has lived her life by the credo that power comes from the barrel of a gun. Her gun. And now she has to ask nicely whether Sherlock and John will take her case when up until now she has been the one who called the shots; I would be extremely surprised if she would ever forgive that.

As Oscar Wilde put it: 'Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them more.'

 

 
Sherlock didn′t betray her. It was not betrayal - he never promised to keep her true identity from John. It was Sherlock′s duty to notify his friend that a cute fluffy bunny he lives with is actually a deadly cobra.
 
Mary is sinister, cold and she has an admirable self-control in dangerous situations. I don′t see her as especially bloodthirsty, she is very rational and calculating in her actions. She doesn′t shoot people for fun, she doesn′t use excessive violence, even if she can be absolutely merciless and cruel when pursuing her goals. She shot Sherlock and later threatened him with a gun in an effort to stop him from revealing her true identity to John. But she has no motive to continue that behavior now, when her worst fears were already realized and she was ousted to her husband.
 
Sherlock nicely neutralized her when he gave her real identity to John. What gain can she obtain from any personal vendetta now? Any harm occurs to Sherlock after that Leinster Gardens fiasco and John will automatically ascribe it to her. She must maintain a facade of a nice quiet girl now if she wants to preserve her marriage (and it is apparent from her behavior she really wants to preserve it, no matter what her actual motives can be). And that first Sherlock shooting certainly roused Mycroft′s interest. He won′t stand aside if Mary tries some funny business once again.
 
Then Sherlock who is in one move protecting John, Mycroft and Mary suddenly shoots CAM and thus prevents him from sending information about Mary′s cover to her enemies. And Mary′s worst fears dissipate shortly before that – John has forgiven her.
 
Mary has probably a huge ego but as a cold-blooded and rational person she has to notice Sherlock′s action were quite beneficial pertaining to her. She may not like him but it would be superfluous and absolutely unnecessary to bear any further grudge towards him.
 

 
I think it would be wonderful to believe that, and it is about as likely as the proverbial snowball in hell.

John has sort of forgiven her, and is doing his best to pretend that things will be wonderful, but their relationship now consists of 'we're having a baby', and John will continue to have nightmares and continue to wish that he was out fighting villains with Sherlock instead of inspecting people's bunions and hernias.

I really do not believe that someone as self obsessed as Mary is going to like that, and if you watch that last scene when Sherlock's plane has turned back it is obvious that John comes alive again. Only now John is going to be excluded from the tracking down the villains, not least because Mycroft regards him and his wife as a major liability, and Mary isn't going to like that either. Her husband will be moping around, trying not to blame Mary for his exclusion, and I don't think Mary is going to like that either.

Unfortunately, Mary believes that guns are what you use to solve problems; even if her past has no links to anything associated with Sherlock, which I doubt, her present certainly gives her plenty of reasons for wanting Sherlock out of the way. If Sherlock is out of the way she will have all of John, so even if she doesn't try to kill him herself, again, she will certainly be happy to assist Sherlock's enemies...

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

Believe me, whatever you think of Mary now, she's gonna get her commupence in Series 4. She's going to die, for sure, which, depending what you think of her now and how they develop her character further, you'll either be sad about it or happy about it. Personally, I hope she dies saving Sherlock's life, to repay him.

 
You see, this is a problem for me too.
I don't want the angsty-ness of Mary sacrificing herself for either Sherlock or John.
And I'll be the first to praise Martin Freeman's brilliant ability to play emotional scenes, but I feel he's done enough of them in Sherlock for the forseeable future and don't want the show to become a vehicle for this particular talent of his.
If Mary was killed off, it would have to be in the finale of a season, in any case, leaving John to grieve in the hiatus (it would be too unbelievable for her to die one week and John to spring back into action the next).
Plus what of the Baby - does John suffer that loss too? It's just too much, imo.
So the alternative is that Mary stays around, and we have John kissing his wife and child goodbye every now and then to go off on an adventure with Sherlock.
Or - and I'm inclined to think this is what will happen - Mary's enemies come after her, and the focus of the show is on Sherlock, John and Mary fighting off the danger.
I'm not sure any of the above scenarios appeal to me, to be honest.

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

Believe me, whatever you think of Mary now, she's gonna get her commupence in Series 4. She's going to die, for sure, which, depending what you think of her now and how they develop her character further, you'll either be sad about it or happy about it. Personally, I hope she dies saving Sherlock's life, to repay him.

 
Actually, I'm still in hope that Sherlock's plane has been sabotaged, so it has to crash land on the airfield, tragically killing Mary, but with John heroically saving Sherlock from the burning wreckage...

nakahara wrote:

Then Sherlock who is in one move protecting John, Mycroft and Mary suddenly shoots CAM and thus prevents him from sending information about Mary′s cover to her enemies. And Mary′s worst fears dissipate shortly before that – John has forgiven her.

 I still hold out that John in fact has not forgiven her.   He may come alive next season in
ways we haven't seen yet.    That said,  I hope he's revisiting his therapist at this point.

Mary has probably a huge ego but as a cold-blooded and rational person she has to notice Sherlock′s action were quite beneficial pertaining to her. She may not like him but it would be superfluous and absolutely unnecessary to bear any further grudge towards him.
 

 
I agree with you.   I don't think it's a grudge against Sherlock anymore that's going to
motivate her actions.    She has bigger concerns now (her baby,  other enemies out
there, her marriage...)

Swanpride wrote:

I do not think that Mary ever felt any grudge towards Sherlock. She likes him and she knew that as a good friend, he would feel that John had to know.

 
I didn't get that she liked him at all in that last episode - there was just one scene when she was nice to him throughout the whole thing, and that was when he was about to board a plane and fly out of their lives forever.
Honestly, I've given this a lot of thought, and her attitude towards him throughout the whole of HLV was markedly different from the previous two episodes, even before she shot him.

But she did not show any concern either. Molly's reaction may have been violent, maybe too violent, but it was born of worry and care and love for Sherlock. 
Please note that I have not commented on her behaviour in this scene in my analysis but when people bring this up I have to say that I prefer Molly's slaps to Sherlock's face anytime over Mary's behaviour during most of the episode. 

Last edited by SusiGo (March 2, 2014 11:01 am)

Swanpride wrote:

????? She only had one scene with him before she shot him and in this scene she was more or less the nicest person in the room, because she neither slapped him, nor ripped into him because of his drug habit.

 
She was actually quite sarcastic about him in the opening scenes.
She was also, notably, the only person in his circle who didn't seem bothered by the fact that he seemed to have resumed his drug habit.

Last edited by Tinks (March 2, 2014 11:08 am)

Susigo > yeah, and no such The Young and the Restless plot like "OH-MY-GOD-IT'S-NOT-JOHN'S-DAUGHTER" or "Oh, Sherlock, you're so cute when you changes the baby's diapers", please. 
 

You mean, they'll show us Anderson's made up scenarios of Mary's death?