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February 6, 2014 9:49 pm  #1


The Sherlock-John-relationship and Sherlock's character development

This just sort of happened.

I wrote this analysis while rewatching series 3 from the DVDs, focusing on the relationship between Sherlock and John, since it carries the whole plot and is vital for Sherlock’s character development. No idea if anyone’s going to read this, it’s very long after all (I'll divide it into several posts), but I tried to make it easily readable. It’s just my personal interpretation of course, I don’t claim that everything is necessarily correct. Sorry about the drama and the lame jokes.

On to the analysis. Series 1 and 2 were mostly told from John’s perspective, and all the time we wondered what was going on in Sherlock’s mind. He often came across as cold and emotionless. Series 3 is told mostly from Sherlock’s perspective. We get an insight into his thoughts and feelings, and we learn that he’s been human all along. We see him laughing, crying, getting drunk, vomiting, getting high, being physically weak, and many other things. We’re also shown who’s really important to him and who he loves the most.

I’ll spare you my analysis for “The Sign of Three” (which is another 3.500 words long), but I think I should summarise it since it’s important for understanding the rest. It all began with Sherlock staring sadly at John’s empty chair and Mrs Hudson talking about how marriage changes people. She made Sherlock’s fears only worse that John will change and that he’ll lose him.


Sherlock Holmes is a lonely man. His only real passion is crime solving, and his chances to find another person who shares his interests are practically zero. He’s only used to loss and having his heart broken. Dogs die (Redbeard), children will grow out of liking detective stories (Archie), and adults are usually more interested in other things. Romance is always considered more important than friendship. And now even for John.
“Who could you only kill at a wedding?” It turned out to be Major Sholto, but it’s been established before that a) Sherlock and Major Sholto have many things in common and b) Sherlock Holmes is nearly impossible to kill. That’s the way to murder Sherlock, by metaphorical delayed action stabbing. In the end he can’t find a partner to dance with. He runs away and gives up, leaving the wedding early, and he’s not just a little sad. He’s dying.

“His Last Vow” begins with a scene in which John, now married, is lying in bed with Mary. Sleeping. He’s dreaming of the war, and we get one of many connections to “A Study in Pink” – The game is on. You’re not haunted by the war (or by Sherlock). You miss it. Wanna see some more violent deaths?


When someone bangs on the door, John seems to think for a second that it’s Sherlock. We learn that he hasn’t seen his friend in a whole month (that’s “ages” for John). Kate sits on the sofa like a client, asking for help. A case! Great. It looks as if John is trying to play Sherlock’s role (that includes wearing a dressing gown and being rude to the client). But, “Who’s Sherlock Holmes?” Kate asks as if she’s never heard of him.


“There’s nothing the matter with me”, John says to Mary, almost a quote from HOUNDS where Sherlock said “there’s nothing wrong with me”.  Which tells us everything is wrong.
Sexual subtext also comes in (the tyre lever discussion). That’s what we like, right? The game is on indeed.
But we end up in a drug den. The bad thing about drug addicts is that they have a problem but they often refuse to let other people help them. They withdraw from everything and choose a lifestyle that destroys them and ultimately leads to their death.
“I’m looking for a friend.” – “You gotta go. No one’s allowed here.”

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February 6, 2014 9:54 pm  #2


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“Oh, hello, John. Didn’t expect to see you here. Come for me, too?”
Sherlock has changed, and not in a good way. Of course he’s on a case, because that’s what he’s really addicted to – risking his life to prove he’s clever. But simultaneously he’s turned into “Shezza”, a rundown junkie, on the verge of losing his self-control. One month of John’s absence, that’s all it took.

Luckily John is a junkie, too. In need of a fix. Bill Wiggins tries to explain how Sherlock could have deduced that (creases in the shirt etc), but he’s wrong. Sherlock didn’t need to use logic for this deduction. He’s speaking from experience, because he knows John better than anyone else. Or used to know him. “No, he’s always walked like that.”

A little later we get an ASIP parallel again – taxi ride to Baker Street, standing in the hallway, and upstairs there’s a drugs bust going on. Symbol of a new beginning, or of the end of an era? I’d say the latter. Because the following sequence ends with John standing alone in a somehow unfamiliar looking Baker Street, looking a bit lost. It’s like when Sherlock left him standing alone on the street in PINK after visiting the crime scene with the pink lady. So we have a backwards development. They’re becoming estranged from each other.


We see that, although there’s a new person living with Sherlock now (Janine), the second chair from the sitting room has been removed. John’s chair. “It’s good to be missed”, John says, but he doesn’t understand. Putting the chair away is an answer to Janine’s earlier question – no, Sherlock doesn’t have a vacancy. It’s either John sitting in that chair or nobody, and currently Sherlock thinks he has lost John. “You were gone and I saw an opportunity.” – “No, you saw the kitchen.”

And now it gets really cruel. The Janine thing. That’s what’s become of Sherlock’s relationship life. Faked feelings, lies, and loveless kisses.
It might also be a message to John, sort of a subconscious cry for help. See, I’ve got a girlfriend, too! I don’t need you anymore either. John doesn’t believe that for a second. Sherlock himself doesn’t believe it for a second; I’m not even sure if Janine actually believes it. It’s totally out of character for Sherlock and everybody knows. It’s painful to watch.


Love? “Human error.” Of course this comment could mean, I never love because I don’t have that chemical defect. But I think it’s more like, I have loved, and I think it was a mistake. I’ll be less human in the future so it won’t happen again.

Sherlock calls the Magnussen case “too big and dangerous for any sane individual to get involved in”. “You’re trying to put me off?” John asks. “God, no”, is the answer. “I’m trying to recruit you.” But it doesn’t sound very optimistic (trying to), and in contrast to ASIP now Sherlock doesn’t say it before running off to a crime scene and wanting John to follow. He’s just going to the bathroom, a place where you expect to have your privacy respected and be left alone. If that’s not dramatic enough for you, think back to Reichenbach where Sherlock practically said that “a moment of privacy” is what comes before suicide.

And while we’re at it – the subtext. What happened to it? Normally we get a huge amount of gay innuendos. Now it’s changed, even up to the level of the imagery, and we get a lot of very heterosexual allusions to Sherlock’s alleged relationship with Janine. That can’t be good. That’s not what we’re watching this show for.


Magnussen comes in and John flirts with one of his bodyguards (“doesn’t mean I’m not pleased to see you”). Where’s the “I’m not gay”? Sherlock doesn’t appear in the list of John’s pressure points, and the onscreen text even informs us that our two symbolic husbands have developed a preference for porn. A bit short of domestic bliss. Especially for Sherlock it’s odd. And the word “normal” appears in a description of him? Seriously? Who are these two strangers and what happened to our boys?
Sherlock wanted Magnussen to think that drugs were Sherlock’s pressure point. But in fact Magnussen has quite a long list, and the real pressure points are Sherlock’s feelings. Most importantly his feelings for John.

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February 6, 2014 9:59 pm  #3


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When they meet again later in the CAM building, the first thing they do is get coffee. John and two paper cups of coffee, where have we seen that before? Right.

The final point of the reversed development. It’s over. This is the end.


It’s touching that while Magnussen is talking about John to Mary, the camera is on Sherlock’s face. “Coming here? What would your husband think? Your lovely husband, he’s honourable. So English. What would he say to you now?”

Sherlock walks up to Mary, realising he was totally wrong about her, and offers his help although she threatens him. As if to say, please let me be a part of your life, and if that’s not possible, kill me.
He gets shot, which nearly costs his life, but also saves it in some way.


“Fall now.”
Sherlock is trying to stay alive, but not really fighting, he seems to be giving up rather easily (“they’re putting me down, too”), mainly trying to avoid the pain.

And finally, after eight and a half episodes, we get a real insight into the mind palace. It’s a mortuary.

Except, Sherlock can go upstairs and enter a prettier world, corridors flooded with light, where he can meet old friends. The architecture is very similar to the building in which the pink lady’s corpse was found in ASIP, at the very beginning of the “story of two men and their ridiculous adventures”. So obviously Sherlock constructed all this, the whole more pleasant part of his mind palace, only after he met John.

But all his old friends are dead and/or gone, aren’t they?


Sherlock made the enormous mistake of trusting other people. He let his heart rule his head. He had feelings for Mary, for example. He got symbolically married to her, made a vow to protect her at all costs and believed his affection was returned.

That was stupid, wasn’t it, getting involved that way?

Apart from that, we’ve already seen that going back to the life he had before John wouldn’t be good either. It would be like a mortuary, cold and sterile, a lonely world no one would like to live in, and it would ultimately kill Sherlock.

So, if feelings kill you, and having no feelings will kill you, too – you might as well give up and die. Everything else will only cause pain.


Moriarty, of all people, is the one who saves the day. The chained up mental image of him gives Sherlock some clever advice. “You always feel it. But you don’t have to fear it. Pain. Heartbreak. Loss.” And he makes fun of Sherlock’s death with a mockery song.
In other words – you’re just running away, Sherlock. You wish you could have relationships with other people, but whenever the chance is there you run away from them because you’re afraid of the heartbreak. You are a coward. Wake up.

Will Sherlock do that? Is it worth it? For Mrs Hudson, or Mummy and Daddy perhaps? No. For Irene “The Woman” Adler? Surely not. Irene is cool, but Sherlock won’t come back from the dead for her. He’ll only do that for one special person.

“You’re letting him down, Sherlock. John Watson is definitely in danger.”


And finally we saw the physical proof that Sherlock does have a heart.


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February 6, 2014 10:03 pm  #4


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The next part is complicated because many different things happen within a very short time.
One thing that has to be mentioned is  John’s deduction about Sherlock protecting the shooter.  Usually John’s deductions are not as good as Sherlock’s because they’re less based on logical analyses and more on what the heart says. But this time it leads him to the right conclusion, because this part is about feelings.
Oh, and the chair is back! An invitation for John to take his place again, but that means he’ll have to find a way to balance his life between Mary and Sherlock, unless he wants a divorce on one side or the other. Luckily he gets active support from Sherlock in his decision.

“He’s Sherlock. Who would he bother protecting?” After all that happened, John still doesn’t understand (he should really get that on a T-shirt). Only slowly it dawns on him that the vow Sherlock made at the wedding to John and Mary wasn’t just empty words.

In order to finally behave like adults and sort things out, all three of them have to be honest with each other. Sherlock tells John the truth and tricks Mary into confronting him. Although he has a very simple idea of how to deal with marital problems  (“now talk and sort it out and do it quickly”), he does a good job at managing the following “domestic”. Once again he can make use of his experience in living with John – we all know they’ve had domestics many times before, so Sherlock knows how to handle the situation. Although John tells him not to, Sherlock speaks up again and again. He supports Mary.

In contrast to the beginning of the episode, where Sherlock denied having a drug habit even after the test proved he was high, he’s far more honest and open now, constantly asking for morphine. It seems he took Janine’s advice (“you shouldn’t have lied to me, we could have been friends”) very seriously.


John is angry and confused, unable to cope with the situation. Apart from a little raging, he stays rather passive, eventually accepting Sherlock’s help.
After Mary has been put into the position of a client, John says, “This is where you sit and talk, and this is where we sit and listen.” I think this is a very important sentence. John says “we”. Married couples would refer to each other as “we”, but John means himself and Sherlock. Just like Sherlock referred to John and himself as “we” in the beginning of “The Empty Hearse”. “And we decide if we want you or not.” Sherlock is granted a say in the decision if Mary (John’s pregnant wife!) will be allowed to stay.


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February 6, 2014 10:11 pm  #5


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Sorting things out is not so easy after all, as we learn during the Christmas dinner with Mummy and Daddy Holmes. John and Mary haven’t been talking to each other for a long time (I wonder if John lived with her or in Baker Street? We don’t get to know), but they’re both there, reunited.
Of course there’s also a very serious reason why John was invited. The Magnussen case has to be solved. John doesn’t really have to be convinced to follow Sherlock to Appledore. They work as partners again, more or less.

If John still had any doubts about what Sherlock feels for him, the video Magnussen shows him of how Sherlock saved him from the fire, and the fact that he’s Sherlock's pressure point, should tell him everything he needed to know.
“Look how you care about John Watson.” Caring is not an advantage? No, it really isn’t, but what can you do.
Again, that’s a parallel to an earlier episode. Once we thought Irene was Sherlock’s “damsel in distress”. Way off the mark. “Sherlock’s pressure point is his best friend John Watson.”


John looks shocked. This is sort of a turning point, but not in the way one would expect. From now on it just gets frustrating, and that’s mainly because of John. Sherlock is ready to sacrifice everything he has achieved up to this point in order to save Mary and therefore John. We expect John to react in some way, but he just stands there and does as good as nothing.

The same thing happens in the final scene when Sherlock is about to get into the plane. For Sherlock, of course, this is the only way out – the other option for him would have been to go to prison for the rest of his life, while John would continue living without him, probably even stop visiting Sherlock after a while … So it’s better to go back to where he came from. Eastern Europe. And death.

John appears surprisingly emotionless and reserved. We’re not in his perspective, so we can’t see what’s going on in his head. We can only guess that he’s probably inwardly desperate, confused and overwhelmed. It’s the same problem we had with Sherlock in series 1 and 2, only the other way around. Now John seems to be the cold and heartless one. I’m curious how this and the Sherlock-John-Mary-conflict will be resolved in series 4, and if the writers will manage to continue the story with them as a trio or if one of them (that would have to be Mary) has to get out of the way.

On a positive note, at least this:


is better than this:


And that's the end of this analysis. Thanks for reading.


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February 6, 2014 11:10 pm  #6


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Excllent work QE!  Enjoyed reading.


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February 6, 2014 11:59 pm  #7


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Thank you for taking the trouble to think very carefully about this episode and share it; in doing so you have certainly provided me with plenty of food for thought!

You are, I think, right in noting the shift of perspective; I had caught glimpses but not put it together in quite the same way. To a very considerable extent Moftiss have left us with more unanswered questions than there were at the end of S2; in the end that was just about the how. Only John failed to understand the why, and his failure to understand the why is underlined throughout S3; Dr Watson has many virtues but Moftiss stick closely to canon in their depiction of him, give or take a few punches here and there.

Moftiss have also chosen to raise the stakes; in the beginning of TEH we have someone who has spent 2 years undercover, in considerable danger, coming home naively imagining that home has remained unaltered; there have been an awful lot of novels written about the warrior coming home from the war, returning only to discover that the ideals fixed in his memory no longer exist, and perhaps never existed, so this is has many resonances on many levels. We know that John, feeling deserted, has himself deserted Mrs Hudson; he intends to propose marriage to someone whom he hasn't known for very long, and apparently employs, thus giving an ambiguity to their relationship. The extent to which he just doesn't know this woman is demonstrated in no uncertain terms by her willingness to put a bullet into Sherlock's chest, and yet he still apparently doesn't want to know her any better because he destroys the memory stick.

And at the end of the season John remains an apparently distant, almost aloof figure whilst Sherlock seems positively emotional by comparison; it is difficult to comprehend the reasons for John's refusal to contemplate even a variant on one of Sherlock's forenames as a name for his child. It seems petty, even mean spirited; the point at which our John departs from canon because one cannot imagine the original refusing such a request, had it been made.

So, Moftiss must have a formidable game-plan up their sleeves for S4 because John seems to be in danger of losing the respect of those around him; Sherlock loves him, and will forgive him, but it is not difficult to judge the reactions of Molly, and Lestrade, and Mrs Hudson should they learn of John's apparent desire to live his life untroubled by the knowledge of why Mary's enemies are her enemies, notwithstanding the fact that those enemies remain a continuing danger to her and all those around her, including her child.

Mycroft might have been content to stand back and allow the axe to fall in the course of time, I suppose, but once Sherlock's plane turns back Mary and John become liabilities; Sherlock may wish that he had John's assistance in investigating the apparent return of Moriarty but he cannot trust him in the way that he used to, and neither will Mycroft...

 

February 7, 2014 7:51 am  #8


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You make some interesting points, QE, very thought provoking.
I'm a bit short of time right now, but will pop back in a bit and respond properly to your summary

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February 7, 2014 10:30 pm  #9


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Willow wrote:

Only John failed to understand the why, and his failure to understand the why is underlined throughout S3

I think it's not just that he fails to understand why Sherlock faked his death. He also fails to understand why Sherlock came back, and that's a much bigger problem.

Moftiss have also chosen to raise the stakes; in the beginning of TEH we have someone who has spent 2 years undercover, in considerable danger, coming home naively imagining that home has remained unaltered; there have been an awful lot of novels written about the warrior coming home from the war, returning only to discover that the ideals fixed in his memory no longer exist, and perhaps never existed, so this is has many resonances on many levels.

That's true. That might be one of the reasons why Sherlock was compared to Major Sholto.

The extent to which he just doesn't know this woman is demonstrated in no uncertain terms by her willingness to put a bullet into Sherlock's chest, and yet he still apparently doesn't want to know her any better because he destroys the memory stick.

The relationship between John and Mary would be another interesting part to write an analysis about. I left Mary out most of the time because I wanted to focus on the Sherlock-John-relationship. Only in the fireplace scene the three of them were inseparable. But there's probably a lot to find when you pay attention to the details.

 


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February 8, 2014 12:07 am  #10


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I do certainly think there's been a reversal in season 3.
Up until this point the focus was on John, I think - the traumatised war vet who formed a friendship with this extremely difficult, seemingly selfish and unfeeling man.
I felt that the writers loved and sympathised with John, and wanted us to feel the same way.
This season John has moved on, and Sherlock is no longer the central figure in his life.
Sherlock is the one who is now traumatised - he's given up two years of his life, we don't know exactly what happened to him during this time, and he comes back to find everyone's lives have gone on without him.
Far from being selfish and cold hearted, he makes yet more sacrifices for John - from small things to actually socialising at his wedding, to big things like risking his life or liberty by killing Magnussen.
And John, the one who has always pointed out right from wrong to Sherlock, and who has always been quick to pull him up on his lack of concern / uncaring behaviour to others, hasn't been aware of any of this.
He's the one , this time around, who seemed to see things only as they affected him - the biggest red flag to this was when he didn't notice how much trouble Sherlock was in, when the two of them were in Baker Street with Mary and Sherlock was - literally - bleeding to death.


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February 8, 2014 1:46 am  #11


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QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

Willow wrote:

Only John failed to understand the why, and his failure to understand the why is underlined throughout S3

I think it's not just that he fails to understand why Sherlock faked his death. He also fails to understand why Sherlock came back, and that's a much bigger problem.

Moftiss have also chosen to raise the stakes; in the beginning of TEH we have someone who has spent 2 years undercover, in considerable danger, coming home naively imagining that home has remained unaltered; there have been an awful lot of novels written about the warrior coming home from the war, returning only to discover that the ideals fixed in his memory no longer exist, and perhaps never existed, so this is has many resonances on many levels.

That's true. That might be one of the reasons why Sherlock was compared to Major Sholto.

The extent to which he just doesn't know this woman is demonstrated in no uncertain terms by her willingness to put a bullet into Sherlock's chest, and yet he still apparently doesn't want to know her any better because he destroys the memory stick.

The relationship between John and Mary would be another interesting part to write an analysis about. I left Mary out most of the time because I wanted to focus on the Sherlock-John-relationship. Only in the fireplace scene the three of them were inseparable. But there's probably a lot to find when you pay attention to the details.

 

 
I do appreciate that including Mary would have required another very detailed analysis which would take up even more of your time, but I should be most interested should you have the time at some point.

And you raise the further point that John not only didn't understand why he had been excluded from the knowledge of the fake suicide, but also carries on loudly broadcasting Sherlock's return notwithstanding the fact he was told that this was also supposed to be secret, with Sherlocks life at risk, because Sherlock had returned to get to grips with a major terrorist plot so dangerous that Mycroft himself had gone into the field to extricate him.

I take your point about Sherlock and Sholto; they are both people who have returned from service with scars, visible and invisible, to be met by a less than generous reception by the people for whom those scars were suffered in the first place. I have written a compare and contrast between Sholto and Mary elsewhere on this forum since I really don't think the writers set these two characters up accidentally, so I won't repeat it here, but it is, in my view,  a very important aspect which has been overlooked.

 

February 8, 2014 2:07 am  #12


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Tinks wrote:

I do certainly think there's been a reversal in season 3.
Up until this point the focus was on John, I think - the traumatised war vet who formed a friendship with this extremely difficult, seemingly selfish and unfeeling man.
I felt that the writers loved and sympathised with John, and wanted us to feel the same way.
This season John has moved on, and Sherlock is no longer the central figure in his life.
Sherlock is the one who is now traumatised - he's given up two years of his life, we don't know exactly what happened to him during this time, and he comes back to find everyone's lives have gone on without him.
Far from being selfish and cold hearted, he makes yet more sacrifices for John - from small things to actually socialising at his wedding, to big things like risking his life or liberty by killing Magnussen.
And John, the one who has always pointed out right from wrong to Sherlock, and who has always been quick to pull him up on his lack of concern / uncaring behaviour to others, hasn't been aware of any of this.
He's the one , this time around, who seemed to see things only as they affected him - the biggest red flag to this was when he didn't notice how much trouble Sherlock was in, when the two of them were in Baker Street with Mary and Sherlock was - literally - bleeding to death.

Yes, sadly there's not much scope for feeling good about John in this season, notwithstanding the warm and fuzzies in Sherlock's Best Man speech at the wedding, he is no longer the man who saves lives. I would very like him to go back to being that person; at present he is extraordinarily self centred guy fixated on himself. Reminds me of Mary, really, in a rather chilling way, but we'd better leave that for another day and another thread
 

 

February 8, 2014 4:42 am  #13


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Willow wrote:

Tinks wrote:

I do certainly think there's been a reversal in season 3.
Up until this point the focus was on John, I think - the traumatised war vet who formed a friendship with this extremely difficult, seemingly selfish and unfeeling man.
I felt that the writers loved and sympathised with John, and wanted us to feel the same way.
This season John has moved on, and Sherlock is no longer the central figure in his life.
Sherlock is the one who is now traumatised - he's given up two years of his life, we don't know exactly what happened to him during this time, and he comes back to find everyone's lives have gone on without him.
Far from being selfish and cold hearted, he makes yet more sacrifices for John - from small things to actually socialising at his wedding, to big things like risking his life or liberty by killing Magnussen.
And John, the one who has always pointed out right from wrong to Sherlock, and who has always been quick to pull him up on his lack of concern / uncaring behaviour to others, hasn't been aware of any of this.
He's the one , this time around, who seemed to see things only as they affected him - the biggest red flag to this was when he didn't notice how much trouble Sherlock was in, when the two of them were in Baker Street with Mary and Sherlock was - literally - bleeding to death.

Yes, sadly there's not much scope for feeling good about John in this season, notwithstanding the warm and fuzzies in Sherlock's Best Man speech at the wedding, he is no longer the man who saves lives. I would very like him to go back to being that person; at present he is extraordinarily self centred guy fixated on himself. Reminds me of Mary, really, in a rather chilling way, but we'd better leave that for another day and another thread
 

Actually, you're making me think of Magnussen's quip about John and Mary being Mr. and Mrs. Psychopath. 

Kind of creepy-- and actually, I hope that the writers don't have some sort of big reveal that John is... well, whatever. :-)
 

 

February 8, 2014 10:03 am  #14


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Tinks wrote:

Sherlock is the one who is now traumatised - he's given up two years of his life, we don't know exactly what happened to him during this time, and he comes back to find everyone's lives have gone on without him.

In the metaphorical sense I think it doesn't even matter what happened to him. He was "dead". Like John says in the final scene of TEH, "When you were dead, I went to your grave." He doesn't say, "When I thought you were dead, I went to the place that was supposed to be your grave." Because literally, there is no Holmes without Watson. John is the one who writes Sherlock's story. If they're separated, or if John stops writing down his thoughts about him, Sherlock dies. Maybe other people will try to continue his story, but then he'll turn into a stranger, like "Shezza" or "Sherl" in the beginning of HLV, or the unfamiliar looking person we see at the beginning of TEH. Or at the very beginning of PINK, where we see Sherlock in a mortuary and his only friend is a skull. John brought him to life, or saved his life, and he needs to understand that and continue doing it.
 


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February 8, 2014 4:01 pm  #15


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QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

Tinks wrote:

Sherlock is the one who is now traumatised - he's given up two years of his life, we don't know exactly what happened to him during this time, and he comes back to find everyone's lives have gone on without him.

In the metaphorical sense I think it doesn't even matter what happened to him. He was "dead". Like John says in the final scene of TEH, "When you were dead, I went to your grave." He doesn't say, "When I thought you were dead, I went to the place that was supposed to be your grave." Because literally, there is no Holmes without Watson. John is the one who writes Sherlock's story. If they're separated, or if John stops writing down his thoughts about him, Sherlock dies. Maybe other people will try to continue his story, but then he'll turn into a stranger, like "Shezza" or "Sherl" in the beginning of HLV, or the unfamiliar looking person we see at the beginning of TEH. Or at the very beginning of PINK, where we see Sherlock in a mortuary and his only friend is a skull. John brought him to life, or saved his life, and he needs to understand that and continue doing it.
 

Certainly those parts of Canon written in the first person by Sherlock seem 'off' to us; the metaphor of Sherlock existing only through the prism of John's reporting seems to me to be an interesting one. However, using the same metaphor, John too was dead. That is underlined by his choosing to propose to someone whose business is death...
 

 

February 9, 2014 1:32 am  #16


Re: The Sherlock-John-relationship and Sherlock's character development

Sherlock is the one who is now traumatised - he's given up two years of his life, we don't know exactly what happened to him during this time, and he comes back to find everyone's lives have gone on without him.

And we still haven't seen much follow-up from those two years...namely, the results of the torture he went through. We saw in HLV the effects - physical and emotional - of the threat of losing John, of being shot, and of being tormented by his brother...but I don't think we saw anything stemming directly from experiences he had during the Hiatus.

All of the "Johnlock," comes from Sherlock: 

- Sherlock going into a bonfire to save John and then Magnussen calling John "your damsel in distress" was pretty delicious for Johnlockers

- Sherlock is willing to sacrifice himself for Mary because Mary is somehow part of John, now. He could just as easily have jumped at the chance to get rid of Mary by exposing her evil side. 
John isn't returning the favor in this regard - it should be a no-brainer for him to give up Mary to save Sherlock - and that would break the chain that connects Magnussen's power with the Holmes brothers.

Instead, we get the sense that John blames Sherlock for getting himself and Mary into trouble.

- the implication that Sherlock only lived because he has to protect John (but John wasn't there in the mind palace actually begging Sherlock not to die)
 

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February 9, 2014 5:31 am  #17


Re: The Sherlock-John-relationship and Sherlock's character development

I can't wait to get my DVD's from Amazon in a couple of weeks because there are so many things I want to re-examine. When they go back to Baker Street for the Watson "domestic" there's all this subtext going on when Sherlock explains to John why he fell in love with Mary.  All that stuff about being 'attracted' to dangerous people (Yes, that's you Sherlock, by the way. Obvious) but there's one line I want to watch and hear the way it was delivered again. After John says, "Why is she like that?" with such despair, I seem to remember Sherlock's eyes move away and then back to John with a sad, almost haunted look, as he says quietly, "Because you chose her". My Johnlock heart hears in subtext, "And you didn't chose me". A Johnlock interpretation for sure and a subtle one.  Probably no one else heard it that way......
Sherlocklives, I agree with your comments above.  The whole series was about Sherlock's love for John. I did wonder myself for a while about John being 'omitted' from Sherlock's dying mind palace but now I think it made perfect sense from a dramatic point of view. It was an extremely powerful moment for me when Sherlock's eyes flew open and he willed himself back to life because his demon whispered to him that John was in danger.  That's all I needed to see and know to realize the depths of his feelings of love and commitment for John.  I didn't need to see John helping and coaxing him through the horror.  That would have been overkill (no pun intended) - and somehow I don't think Sherlock would not want John to "see" him "in extremis" - and so John was omitted in those moments as he died. However, as Sherlock hauled himself hand over hand up those metaphorical stairs, my imagination did allow me to envision John at the top waiting.  It just might have been too "corny" to actually show that.


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February 9, 2014 12:37 pm  #18


Re: The Sherlock-John-relationship and Sherlock's character development

It’s actually fun to go through the episodes scene by scene and take the imagery, symbolism etc into account. The meaning of everything suddenly appears much deeper, and you can find some little gems.
The Tube scene in TEH, for example, is presented like a classic scene from a romance movie.
Imagine Person A and Person B have a wonderful romantic love story, but then Person A disappears and is believed to be dead. Person B grieves for a while, but then gets on with his life and finds somebody new. And then Person A suddenly comes back and is very much alive.

It would of course lead to a more or less clichéd scene where Person A finally confronts Person B with his feelings. Person A would bring a present, a romantic gesture, probably roses. Or, if Person B is an ex-soldier and abnormally attracted to danger, a ticking time bomb will do.


There would be some arguing – “why do you never call the police” and so on and so forth. Person A would then say something along the lines of “you can leave me if you want to”. In this case: “Go, John. Go now.” But Person B decides to stay.

Person A would get on his knees and beg. (“Sorry. Forgive me, John.”)


Person B would eventually say, “Of course I still love you!” (“Yes, of course I forgive you.”)

Person A would swear that he has always been true and never cheated on Person B. (This is reflected in the explanation of the fall to Anderson. The difference between this and the false explanations we saw in the beginning is that Sherlock only leaves John behind because he has a job to do, not because he has a love affair with somebody else. And he was very sad.)

And then they would kiss!


Isn’t that adorable?


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February 9, 2014 8:34 pm  #19


Re: The Sherlock-John-relationship and Sherlock's character development

QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

Isn’t that adorable?

Absolutely lovely.  My own title for TEH as "The Wooing of John Watson" or "Winning Back the Injured Lover".  TSot is Sherlock's "Till Death Do Us Part" pledge - which he then pretty much fulfills in HLV.

One interesting little aside - I was re-reading "Performance in a Leading Role" by MadLori and she pretty much nails the scene where Sherlock and John say good-bye after they finish filming in Toronto with the way it was done at the end of HLV.  Almost eerie down to the handshake but without the baby name business :-)
 


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February 10, 2014 6:40 am  #20


Re: The Sherlock-John-relationship and Sherlock's character development

Maybe my question is right in this thread, I do not want to open a new one and it IS related to the Sherlock-John-relationship:

In the end at the airfield, was there anything left to be said for Sherlock that has not been said in TSoT and is not explicit Johnlock? Because I really can not think of anything unsaid between them, still I do not dig the idea that Sherlock was about to confess his romantic love.. He already said that he
- loves John
- owes his life to John
- is the best, the greatest, amazing, fantastic, bravest and wisest man he ever had the good fortune to meet. Oh and great. And fantastic. (I got the general idea that S is rather fond of J)
- is the only one who keeps him right
- would do anything to ensure John´s and his families happiness
- wants to always be there for him

Sooo.. is it really Johnlock then? Or am I missing something else?

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