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January 22, 2014 11:08 pm  #1


John's job at the clinic

So while Sherlock is "dead" for two years John has settled down working as a general practitioner, prescribing antibiotics for thrush and the like.

But we've seen his resume when he was applying for the short-term job at Sarah's clinic and his background is in trauma surgery, including really cutting-edge stuff like bloodless surgery.  So why isn't he doing that?

I'm okay with just accepting that this takes place in a world where a trauma surgeon is automatically able to also work as a GP.  I can suspend my disbelief that far.  Or that he's dual qualified because you need to be able to do all sorts of things in Afghanistan.  So okay when he's flat out of money and needs something and there's a short-term fill-in job at Sarah's clinic that's fine.

But this is different.  This is a long-term arrangement.  Why is he prescribing routine antibiotics rather than being in an OR or ER somewhere?  That would seem a better fit for our little adrenaline junkie.  And, well they didn't have to show us his resume but they did.

Maybe the tremor in his left hand has permanently barred him from the OR?  Whether it's psychosomatic or nerve damage from the shoulder wound or a bit of both, his surgeon days are over.  That would be another crushing blow, if he spent a good portion of his life training to be a trauma surgeon and pretty early on he's permanently disqualified.

Or maybe being a GP is for John Watson a symptom of depression?  If he had any zest for life he would be in the local ER but as it is, well, why bother?
 

 

January 23, 2014 1:10 am  #2


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krissylou wrote:

So while Sherlock is "dead" for two years John has settled down working as a general practitioner, prescribing antibiotics for thrush and the like.

But we've seen his resume when he was applying for the short-term job at Sarah's clinic and his background is in trauma surgery, including really cutting-edge stuff like bloodless surgery.  So why isn't he doing that?

I'm okay with just accepting that this takes place in a world where a trauma surgeon is automatically able to also work as a GP.  I can suspend my disbelief that far.  Or that he's dual qualified because you need to be able to do all sorts of things in Afghanistan.  So okay when he's flat out of money and needs something and there's a short-term fill-in job at Sarah's clinic that's fine.

But this is different.  This is a long-term arrangement.  Why is he prescribing routine antibiotics rather than being in an OR or ER somewhere?  That would seem a better fit for our little adrenaline junkie.  And, well they didn't have to show us his resume but they did.

Maybe the tremor in his left hand has permanently barred him from the OR?  Whether it's psychosomatic or nerve damage from the shoulder wound or a bit of both, his surgeon days are over.  That would be another crushing blow, if he spent a good portion of his life training to be a trauma surgeon and pretty early on he's permanently disqualified.

Or maybe being a GP is for John Watson a symptom of depression?  If he had any zest for life he would be in the local ER but as it is, well, why bother?
 

This is a really interesting question!

I  suspect that they were simply going with the canon version of Dr Watson as a physician, and maybe didn't really think it through, though I entirely agree that showing us his résumé would make us question that. However, I suspect that the current answer is that he has spent 2 years chronically depressed after Sherlock's apparent death and he hasn't had the zest for doing what he's capable of; Mary working at the practise has provided a reason to enjoy working there, though presumably she will be off on maternity leave fairly soon, provided she isn't tragically cut down in a hail of bullets from her previous victims. People can get very stroppy about their flu jabs.

I'm fairly sure he would be qualified to act as a Physician; my daughters first medical degree was the five year MBBS, which, via Latin translation, turns into Bachelor of Medicine and Batchelor of Surgery. She only started to specialise as a physician after at least another 2 years after graduation, having done a series of surgical/medical rotations for those 2 years. She's now a Member of the Royal Collece of Physicians, and after the next two years of rotations, has chosen her speciality, but as a medical registrar on call she is responsible for all medical patients, irrespective of what's wrong with them.  So she is the person where the buck stops, and is often called to the A&E to evaluate people who clealy have surgical problems, but also may have serious non-surgical problems. Also, on occasions  to recognise serious surgical problems which the A&E people have missed, but we all have bad days.

So, it would probably be a good idea if the writers clarified this. The location of John's wound in canon was all over the place; ACD wasn't big on continuity, so I see no canonical reason to suggest that he can't do A&E stuff because his shoulder prevents it. He would probably enjoy it a lot more than viewing bunions, and he could make a lot of money as a locum enabling him to go off with Sherlock whenever the Game is On.

Thank you for raising such an interesting point; I should have been asleep hours ago as I have an early meeting so clearly if I blow it I will be blaming it all on you

 

 

January 23, 2014 3:28 am  #3


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This has already been discussed in great detail - someone remember the thread, please?

It is a quite interesting debate though!

 

January 23, 2014 7:23 am  #4


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I thought it's coz he's running his own surgery. If he is his own boss than GP would be cheaper to run than an ER department.

 

January 23, 2014 7:53 am  #5


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His CV states that he is 'working towards a career in laparoscopic surgery'. The last post listed in his employment history is 'SHO in trauma surgery'. SHO (senior house officer) is a title for quite a junior doctor. I have been an SHO in orthopaedics (shudders at the memory) but that doesn't make me a surgeon.

His CV is a bit bizzare. It cuts short at a junior doctor level. In my head canon his medical career in the military is outlined separetely at the next page. Otherwise he wouldn't be qualified to independently practise as either GP or a surgeon.

My take on this is that whoever was responsible for that prop borrowed some random junior doctor's CV and modified it a bit without much of a thought going into it as it appears on the screen for seconds. They were not expecting fans to take screen shots and disect in great details.

There is a very insightfull analysis of Watson's medical career available here:

http://wellingtongoose.livejournal.com/10230.html

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January 23, 2014 8:39 am  #6


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saturnR wrote:

I thought it's coz he's running his own surgery. If he is his own boss than GP would be cheaper to run than an ER department.

I love it! 
 

 

January 23, 2014 9:07 am  #7


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belis wrote:

His CV states that he is 'working towards a career in laparoscopic surgery'. The last post listed in his employment history is 'SHO in trauma surgery'. SHO (senior house officer) is a title for quite a junior doctor. I have been an SHO in orthopaedics (shudders at the memory) but that doesn't make me a surgeon.

His CV is a bit bizzare. It cuts short at a junior doctor level. In my head canon his medical career in the military is outlined separetely at the next page. Otherwise he wouldn't be qualified to independently practise as either GP or a surgeon.

My take on this is that whoever was responsible for that prop borrowed some random junior doctor's CV and modified it a bit without much of a thought going into it as it appears on the screen for seconds. They were not expecting fans to take screen shots and disect in great details.

There is a very insightfull analysis of Watson's medical career available here:

http://wellingtongoose.livejournal.com/10230.html

belis

I agree that there's a page missing; Wellingtongoose has made an excellent case for John being a trauma surgeon.

On the other hand I am shocked, shocked, I tell you that you failed to enjoy your rotation on ortho. I had deduced from your posts that you are a seven feet tall rugby player and you really would have been a perfect fit
 

 

January 23, 2014 6:11 pm  #8


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Willow wrote:

On the other hand I am shocked, shocked, I tell you that you failed to enjoy your rotation on ortho. I had deduced from your posts that you are a seven feet tall rugby player and you really would have been a perfect fit

Lol that would be my consultant's dream come through but instead he had to put up with a female midget with no intrest in sport or DIY.

The more I see of Watson's psychopatic traits on screen the more I'm convinced that he was a trauma surgeon to start with and not a GP. ;)

I agree that AE job would suite him better and it would be more realistic for him to get one. As a surgeon he couldn't start working as a GP without retraining but he could have walked straight into a middle grade job in AE.
 

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January 23, 2014 11:08 pm  #9


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belis wrote:

Willow wrote:

On the other hand I am shocked, shocked, I tell you that you failed to enjoy your rotation on ortho. I had deduced from your posts that you are a seven feet tall rugby player and you really would have been a perfect fit

Lol that would be my consultant's dream come through but instead he had to put up with a female midget with no intrest in sport or DIY.

The more I see of Watson's psychopatic traits on screen the more I'm convinced that he was a trauma surgeon to start with and not a GP. ;)

I agree that AE job would suite him better and it would be more realistic for him to get one. As a surgeon he couldn't start working as a GP without retraining but he could have walked straight into a middle grade job in AE.
 

I think it's all that sawing they do; obviously just can't get enough of it at work so they go home and break out the DIY kit. My daughter is at least 5 millimetres taller than I am so I'm not going to call her a midget, but her consultant was very tall and, as she pointed out, holding things with your arms vertically upright is not the way bodies are meant to work so why a consultant ortho couldn't work that out for himself was a bit of a mystery. I suppose a stepladder would have spoiled the surgical mystique.

And yes, you are quite right about the mindset; I suspect that nobody explained to the writers that it's normal for trauma surgeons to be like that. The one I know best ended up being banned from skiing and snowboarding because he kept breaking things. Great surgeon, and a really nice guy when he was happily snatching people from the jaws of death for ten hours a day, but underwent a total personality change when he was reduced to terrorising, sorry, supervising his juniors instead of doing it himself. Perhaps we could start a petition for John Hamish Watson to respond to the nation's need for good people in A&E; I see that as a win-win scenario, because headbutting Sherlock isn't a long term solution 
 

 

July 28, 2014 2:48 pm  #10


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I've just found this thread and it hit on something I've been thinking about since I watched the GP surgery scenes in TEH.   As far as I know, GPs all go through GP training.   It's not something a surgeon can just switch to.  He'd have had to go through the training.   So at some point before meeting Sherlock, he must have made the decision to undertake GP training.   If he really had been a surgeon first, then he'd have made an even bigger decision to give up something he'd trained long and hard for to start back at the beginning with GP training. 

(Now, I don't know if his career choices in the forces were so limited that GP training was the only option?  But it doesn't make much sense to retrain a surgeon as a GP).

It's clear from the surgery scenes (which have so many odd things about them that they feel like a fantasy sequence, and are possibly meant to be: this is showing John's feelings about his job rather than the reality of it) that he really doesn't like general practice, and that it doesn't have the things he wants out of a job.  So why did he choose it?  I'm puzzled by his lack of insight into his own needs.

It's an interesting suggestion that he may have chosen it because of depression, years ago.  We don't know a lot about his mental health background, do we?  There's the hint of PTSD at the beginning, and he sees a counsellor, but what was happening around the time that he chose GP training?  Or am I reading too much into this?

He seemed to almost wallow in the boredom and dissatisfaction that we were seeing.  I felt that he could have at least taken up a dangerous sport or something, if he disliked work so much.   He knew he needed excitement, yet chose to avoid it (and apparently had done so previously, when he chose GP training).  He's quite a conflicted character.

And I hope he's not prescribing antibiotics for thrush!   (Did he really do that?)

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