sj4iy wrote:

I never expected "Sherlock" to be realistic from the start.
I wouldn't start expecting it now.

Yeah, but isn't the point how rational we all are in the age of general higher education and instant access to knowledge, and yet seem so desperate for uber-humans / heroes to be true?

Isn't exactky that what this fandom is about? The desire for a hyperreal Sherlock?

saturnR wrote:

It's the difference between what we want & what we need.

Indeed!

For me credibility haven't been an question since the Chinese circus assasins. If we can accept that bit of complete nonsense then I don't think we can complain too much about the rest.

I was wondering in that scene why John was shouting AT Sherlock, instead of ripping Mary apart, figuratively or even literally. I always thought John (well, any Watson) had a "hurt Sherlock Holmes and you die" policy.

But I would agree with the premise: there are too many...well, we're throwing the word psychopath around kind of casually...but too many people who have these murderous and violent tendencies (and frankly I'm beginning to think Mycroft is the worst of all.)

SherlocklivesinOH wrote:

I was wondering in that scene why John was shouting AT Sherlock, instead of ripping Mary apart, figuratively or even literally. I always thought John (well, any Watson) had a "hurt Sherlock Holmes and you die" policy.

But I would agree with the premise: there are too many...well, we're throwing the word psychopath around kind of casually...but too many people who have these murderous and violent tendencies (and frankly I'm beginning to think Mycroft is the worst of all.)

I agree that the Baker St scene is one which makes me profoundly uneasy about John, and it is his use of 'psychopath' which colours the rest.

On the other hand, Mycroft has never behaved in a way which suggests that he is murderous or violent. Consider, for example, the plane full of dead passengers in ASIB; a murderous or violent Mycroft could have simply let a plane full of live passengers go down in order to protect the fact that they had broken the code.

He didn't.
 

Tinks wrote:

Interesting that this is the only time when Sherlock doesn't autocorrect with the "high functioning sociopath" line.
He just let John take out his frustration and anger on him.

He was trying not to die at the time; trust me on this one, you really do have to concentrate 
 

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Willow wrote:

Tinks wrote:

Interesting that this is the only time when Sherlock doesn't autocorrect with the "high functioning sociopath" line.
He just let John take out his frustration and anger on him.

He was trying not to die at the time; trust me on this one, you really do have to concentrate
 

That was an interesting bit, though-- I mean, maybe it was just pain-- but Sherlock seemed... solititous of John's pain. Hmmmmn....

I think Benedict did a great piece of acting; if you go back and watch the scene solely looking at him he really did convey the fact that he was hanging on by a very thin thread, and that he knew perfectly well that he was hanging on by a very thin thread. It augurs well for his Hamlet...


 

"Mary, when I say you deserve [John] it is the highest compliment of which I am capable."

In hindsight...ouch!

The use of flashbacks and jumping around in time in this series makes it hard to follow...but I do remember Sherlock starting to collapse during the "psychopath" conversation...he was having some "setback" from his injuries?

I assume he was taken back to the hospital but I don't remember any scenes where he was there because it jumped to later, at Christmas.

You could almost read the "you deserve this man" line now as Sherlock knowing exactly who or what Mary is and for that very reason considering her just what John needs...and possibly also forseeing her future usefulness in their adventures...but without predicting that she would end up turning on him (Sherlock), of course.