I was under the impression that when Mycroft told him "it's the end of an era" ("funny" he uses exactly the same words as Mrs Hudson ex best friend) and that he replied it was the start of a new chapter, he wasn't convinced at all. He was lying to Mycroft and lying to himself, just to keep composure, just because he has his pride and wouldn't admit to Mycroft that he is terrified, and sad. But of course, Mycroft knows better. He knows that his brother is very affected, and I think that somehow, he must be affected too. Not for the same reasons obviously, but because he cares so much about Sherlock, and he certainly doesn't want him to break down. I think Mycroft loved it that John was around. Even if he probably didn't see as much of his brother when John was around, I think it kind of reassured him to have someone like John keep an eye on his little brother: "He could be the making of my brother – or make him worse than ever" and we all know John made Sherlock a better man.

I really hope to see more of Mycroft and of his relationship with Sherlock later. I love those two so much. I love all the teasing, all the unsaid... and the fact that neither of them would admit how much they care of the other. (Mrs Hudson knows that! "He’s secretly pleased to see you underneath all that .. / Sorry, which of us? / Both!)

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Punch me in the face wrote:

I was under the impression that when Mycroft told him "it's the end of an era" ("funny" he uses exactly the same words as Mrs Hudson ex best friend) and that he replied it was the start of a new chapter, he wasn't convinced at all. He was lying to Mycroft and lying to himself, just to keep composure, just because he has his pride and wouldn't admit to Mycroft that he is terrified, and sad. But of course, Mycroft knows better. He knows that his brother is very affected, and I think that somehow, he must be affected too. Not for the same reasons obviously, but because he cares so much about Sherlock, and he certainly doesn't want him to break down. I think Mycroft loved it that John was around. Even if he probably didn't see as much of his brother when John was around, I think it kind of reassured him to have someone like John keep an eye on his little brother: "He could be the making of my brother – or make him worse than ever" and we all know John made Sherlock a better man.

I really hope to see more of Mycroft and of his relationship with Sherlock later. I love those two so much. I love all the teasing, all the unsaid... and the fact that neither of them would admit how much they care of the other. (Mrs Hudson knows that! "He’s secretly pleased to see you underneath all that .. / Sorry, which of us? / Both!)

I think that's a good characterisation of Mycroft. I'm also longing to see more of the brothers. There must be some underlying pain in their relationship that is interesting. I'm not sure that Mycroft thinks that John changed Sherlock for the better, I believed that at first, but in this series Mycroft is constantly asking Sherlock to be more detached and less affectionate, the exact opposite as what John does to him. Mycroft wants to protect Sherlock from pain but fails. 

Is it just me or do you guys also feel that Sherlock is gonna get hurt really badly in HLV? 

SusiGo wrote:

Yes, I am quite afraid of that. Not sure in which way (and I really try to avoid spoilers before Sunday) but something will happen, I am sure. They do not make Sherlock more open and vulnerable than ever without ulterior motives. 

I agree, he will get hurt, either physically or psychologically - well, or both.

Methinks he doth protest too much!  Every time Sherlock said getting married wouldn't change John or affect their friendship, I had the feeling that Sherlock was trying to convince himself of that.  That he was hoping nothing would be different but that deep down he didn't really believe nothing would change.

When Sherlock walked out of the reception, I think it just hit him, seeing everyone else having such a good time, that he didn't feel that way at all and, consequently, he didn't really belong there.  So he left.  I think Sherlock has deep feelings but most of the time keeps himself under tight control.  He knew that this was an important day for John and, after what John told him (You're my best friend), Sherlock decided not to spoil it for him.   He'd already hurt John by faking his death and when he apologized during his speech, that's when I thought Sherlock finally, really, meant he was sorry for the pain he'd put John through.  And he didn't want to cause more heartache for John so he left the party before John realized how out of place Sherlock actually felt and so John wouldn't have to abandon his wife to babysit Sherlock.  (I use "babysit" intentionally.) 

In the past, Sherlock would have not cared if he took John away from someone else or whatever he was doing but during the past two years, he, Sherlock, has learned to care about other people besides himself.  I see his behavior at the end of the party as a manifestation of that.

I don't know why I always come back to this thread just to have my heart broken AGAIN ...

Don't worry, Susi, I only blame you for the first time I've read a post here. The other three time are entirely my own fault.

Sherli Bakerst wrote:

Methinks he doth protest too much!  Every time Sherlock said getting married wouldn't change John or affect their friendship, I had the feeling that Sherlock was trying to convince himself of that.  That he was hoping nothing would be different but that deep down he didn't really believe nothing would change.

Yes, this becomes especially apparent during the scene on the bench. John adresses the topic directly and to me Sherlock's reaction to it couldn't be more obvious. He doesn't really want to talk about it and so he just says something along the line of "Yes, I know things won't change". And then he just vanishes. I think it's too painful for him to think about it, let alone talk about it with John.

Oh man, what must it have been like for him to be away for two years, without John, all alone...?
You are so right, ladies, all of this is so heartbreaking...
 

And you imagine right, I would say.

The problem is that my mind has this special connection to music.
So every time I hear this song from the wedding........    (Thank god it's a quite old one....)

Yeah, Mary ain't hanging around!