Mrs. Watson, kids can get very upset, if something happens to their favorite toys. I told on the other thread (So3 theories), how my son reacted, when his Batman figure fell into a lake. Maybe somthing happened to a toy of Sherlock, and he couldn't explain it. It remained an unsolved mystery. That would be doubly traumatic for young Sherlock. And it would explain, why he is still upset. Not, because of a toy, but because he couldn't solve something. And this room of broken toys of CAM's WAS creepy.
#still anotheroddtheory

Last edited by sherlocked (January 7, 2014 12:28 pm)

Could it be that Mycroft codenamed CAM "Redbeard" in reference to how he pirates and loots and pillages blackmail information? As well as his beard? 

Oh, I hadn't seen this part in the definition of "poppet":

"~~In folk-magic and witchcraft, a poppet, also known as Poppits, Moppets, Mommets and Pippies is a doll made to represent a person, for casting spells on that person or to aid that person through magic. They are occasionally found lodged in chimneys.[2] These dolls may be fashioned from such materials as a carved root, grain or corn shafts, a fruit, paper, wax, a potato, clay, branches, or cloth stuffed with herbs with the intent that any actions performed upon the effigy will be transferred to the subject based on sympathetic magic. It was from these European dolls that the myth of Voodoo dolls arose.[2][3] Poppets are also used as kitchen witch figures."


Ahem... Voodoo dolls now...

Yeah, could be something like a teddy bear named like that simply because Sherlock liked pirates, and he lost it or whatever while he was attached to it.

I like your headcanon idea (well, surely because it reminds me of myself: my husband killed himself a year and a half ago and I swore never to fall in love again and I am as lonely as Mycroft, except i've got my little boy)

And yeah, Mark could just telling us not to get "involved" as well, not to get attached to Mary.

Yeah they were creepy, like that rabbit and that magician top hat... i don't think "poppet" has been chosen innocently.

I'm so obsessed i dreamt of sherlock last night and against all odds, something very bad was happening to mycroft, and not mary. God i hope it's not one of those dreams that get real!

Punch me in the face wrote:

I like your headcanon idea (well, surely because it reminds me of myself: my husband killed himself a year and a half ago and I swore never to fall in love again and I am as lonely as Mycroft, except i've got my little boy).

OMG, I'm sorry, that must have been awful. Hope you're ok. Guess you can relate to the Holmes boys, (though Mycroft is still in denial ). Luckily you don't have to be in love in order to be happy. 

On the poppet theory, it was another telegram, i think, so probably unrelated. I don't think Redbeard is a physical thing that CAM has, I think it's purely a metaphor but who knows.

No idea about the figures, maybe CAM has a very weird taste in decoration. Or they are souvenirs of his victims, little symbolic things that remind him of all the lives he has broken. When he's bored or sad, he looks at them gleefully and feels the testosteron spike of powerrrrr. 

Swanpride wrote:

Or it's a reference to him being a puppet player, so to speak.

 Too predictable I think. But we'll only know after HLV...

Swanpride wrote:

Okay...here my theory:

The whole end of the phone call from "by the way" onwards is not about the wedding at all! It is just worded the way that we assume it is, after all the talk about Sherlock's involvement in the wedding. But if you disconnect this part from the rest and see it as stand alone, you get this:

"Do you remember - Red Beard?"
(pause) "I am not a child anymore, Mycroft!"
"No, of course you are not. Enjoy not getting involved."

And taking this alone...to me it sounds as if Mycroft wanted Sherlock to do something for him, something involving a project with the code name "red beard", but Sherlock declined. Perhaps in the end, it is not something what he does which leads to the most likely impending tragedy, but something he didn't do. And if Mary has a secret, he allready knows about it, but decides not to act on it and keep it for himself, for John's and Mary's sake.

Mmm, those are quite a few conclusion from relatively little data. I doubt it's that complex, it's obviously something from the past, but can we take a moment and reflect, to soak up the delicious sarcasm in that phrase 'Enjoy not getting involved'.

I think it's their what tv-tropes calls 'noodle incident'. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoodleIncident
Warning, this link goes to tvtropes a site that can soak all the time out of our day. There's another of those noodle incidents in sherlock, somewhere Mycroft says 'we don't want a repeat of 1972'. I'm pessimistic that we're ever gonna get an answer to what it means. 
 

Mary Me wrote:

Haven't read the whole thread, sorry.

Sherlock clearly sees that Mary is not the danger but that she's probably in danger which is why he vows to protect her. If she has got a secret which Sherlock knows about then it must be a secret that doesn't make her a bad person but rather a careful person and he obviously accepts that.

 
Totally agree.  If Sherlock thought for one minute that Mary was a danger he wouldn't hesitate to do something.  He's loyalties to John have no boundries. 
Just look at the little scene with Mary's Ex.  If he interfeared in something as small as that..........

sure. Sherlock's expression did change at the end after he told them about the baby and after seeing Mary's reaction.
I do realise it could have just been because he realised he doesn't have a place in their life any longer (or he has a different one now) but I just had a feeling it was related to Mary's reaction.