Although I suppose one could argue that John had deliberatley chosen the face fuzz, to try and move on.

Well both Sherlock and Mrs Hudson said the moustache aged him and I think it was a reflection of how, with Sherlock gone, he felt old.  Gone was his life of adventure and chasing after criminals, replaced by working as a GP seeing patient after patient with mundane complaints.  Although undoubtably Mary makes John feel happy and loved, Sherlock keeps him young and alive.  I think the growing, and later shaving of the moustache reflected this transition.

For the first two seasons it seemed like Mofftis were doing everything possible to tease the Johnlock shippers and string them along.

Now it's like they're going out of their way to shoot us down, saying, "Ok, joke over. The boys are definitely hetero." And that's going to be more so in the next two episodes, I think.

I was surprised Sherlock didn't display more resentment of John's being engaged. I don't think that necessarily requires "sexual" Johnlock. I think it's a no-brainer that Sherlock would resent, and feel threatened by, John's getting a life that didn't include him. Even something like John moving out of Baker Street is a change Sherlock does not want. And even assuming John has forgiven him, being newly married is bound to be a priority that interferes with John's helping Sherlock.

There is some basis in canon for those feelings on Holmes' part, too. He says outright that he's not happy about Watson being engaged.

Sherlock may well be asexual...but the kind of person who only has one friend is bound to want that one friend to be the same way.

Back to the main question: most of their lines about each other before The Reunion teased Johnlockers. I can't remember them all but I most especially remember Sherlock's line that he had to get rid of the mustache because it makes John look old and "I don't want to be seen with an old man." The phrasing was rather suggestive of being a couple.

And John couldn't stop obsessing over Sherlock (at work) even while mad at him.

In the John Waton Blog entry for Empty Hearse, he says outright that Sherlocklives means johnwatsonlives.

I was surprised at Mary, too. Mary seemed to bond with Sherlock, and to make it her mission to get them back together. ("I'll talk him around?!")

She acts like Mrs. Hudson and others., almost treating them like a couple. She has to realize that John won't be the most attentive fiance / husband once he "makes up" with Sherlock. In canon, even when married to Mary, Watson would run to Holmes the moment Holmes snapped his fingers. Here, Mary seems in favor of his doing just that. Mary does in canon encourage Watson to go to Holmes once or twice, but it's more believable there because of the era.

No, society shouldn't assume that two men who live together are gay, but I think in this day and age, a woman who wanted to marry one of them would at least be asking him that question.

In all honesty, as much as the series dealt head-on (if jokingly) with  Johnlock, I think the series itself kind of kills Johnlock, because of the way both Sherlock and John are written/played. It's just harder to imagine either of them being...romantic in the way that's depicted in fanfic where they're definitely in a relationship.

Writers of canon-based fic often really idealize and romanticize them, but especially idealize and romanticize Watson. Less so when fic is based on BBC-verse, but still - you just can't see these BBC characters in those romantic situations.

I might start a different thread on this topic.


 

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SherlocklivesinOH wrote:

In all honesty, as much as the series dealt head-on (if jokingly) with  Johnlock, I think the series itself kind of kills Johnlock, because of the way both Sherlock and John are written/played. It's just harder to imagine either of them being...romantic in the way that's depicted in fanfic where they're definitely in a relationship.

Writers of canon-based fic often really idealize and romanticize them, but especially idealize and romanticize Watson. Less so when fic is based on BBC-verse, but still - you just can't see these BBC characters in those romantic situations.
 

I wonder if you have shipped Johnlock before watching TEH or not. Have you?

And I am very looking forward to what you are thinking about the topic after the other two episodes.

besleybean wrote:

I thik it's a heck of an assumption that asexual people want asexual friends.

I think I more mean that I would expect Sherlock, who doesn't have many real friends, to not do a very good job of sharing the ones he has with THEIR other friends.
 

Yeah, there's enough mystery with the mysteries,as far as I'm concerned!

The mind boggles.

I will ride the Johnlock ship to the gates of hell and beyond!  I will go down with this ship.  

The first part of John's conversation with Mrs. Hudson, telling her about Mary, would, taken out of context, imply he had lost someone he was in a romantic relationship with.

"I'm moving on. I've met someone," is phrasing used by people who lose a spouse or partner, and then meet a potential new romantic interest. And it implies that he couldn't have had the relationship with Mary while also living / working with Sherlock.

ancientsgate wrote:

tonnaree wrote:

I will ride the Johnlock ship to the gates of hell and beyond!  I will go down with this ship.  

*smile*  You go, girl.

And, by the way, me too. Make it a pirate ship, and let's hoist the Johnlock flag (wanna design one?) high and proud. Wheeee!

Sounds like a plan!  I'm already a part of the crew of that particular ship