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January 2, 2014 4:37 pm  #61


Re: So what do you think about our Consulting Detective?

What does that mean - the chips are down?

 

January 2, 2014 4:38 pm  #62


Re: So what do you think about our Consulting Detective?

The game's really stepping up a notch.


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January 2, 2014 4:39 pm  #63


Re: So what do you think about our Consulting Detective?

To be in a difficult or dangerous situation (wenn es hart auf hart kommt).


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

January 2, 2014 4:40 pm  #64


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That´s nice, thank you, but I also never  heard that . I look it it up, was just too lazy because of less sleep...

 

January 2, 2014 4:41 pm  #65


Re: So what do you think about our Consulting Detective?

SusiGo wrote:

To be in a difficult or dangerous situation (wenn es hart auf hart kommt).

Thanks, great double meaning

 

January 2, 2014 4:41 pm  #66


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I hear you. sister!
I think it really means the final gambit, the highest stake etc!


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January 2, 2014 4:42 pm  #67


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besleybean wrote:

I hear you. sister!
I think it really means the final gambit, the highest stake etc!

Super, got it

 

January 2, 2014 4:43 pm  #68


Re: So what do you think about our Consulting Detective?

anjaH_alias wrote:

SusiGo wrote:

To be in a difficult or dangerous situation (wenn es hart auf hart kommt).

Thanks, great double meaning

Ah, I didn't know that! Yes, that is a great double meaning 
 


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January 2, 2014 5:07 pm  #69


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Was he eating fish and chips or just chips?


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January 2, 2014 5:10 pm  #70


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I think just chips...would the allusion have worked with fish?


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January 2, 2014 5:13 pm  #71


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Falling were just chips. Whether there was also fish before in the bowl, I don´t remember.

 

January 2, 2014 7:04 pm  #72


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I loved this episode! ( I ended up having to download it-- so got to see the whole thing. )

Overall, I thought they've worked on characterization-- here are my impressions:

The relationship between Mycroft and Sherlock seems much improved from seasons 1 & 2. It was actually rather heartwarming and hilliarious to see them playing "Operation" and "Deductions." 

***LOVED*** Lestrade's reaction to Sherlock. After all that, Sherlock needed a hug from somebody!

Loved the scenes with Molly and Sherlock-- Sherlock seemed a little regretful/wistful/ and his gratitude came through. 

The dynamic between Sherlock and John-- well, it reminds me of two best freinds who happen to be...BOYS.  Seriously, that's why their behavior seems so imcomprehensible to an awful lot of us. They are boys, which means that they'll do things to each other that women would *never* do--and we certainly would never do or put up with that kind of behavior from a boyfreind or treat a boyfreind that way. 

I mean, Sherlock tried a lighter approach to "outing himself", and John tried to kill him. A whole bunch of times. I think it's telling that Sherlock, apparently didn't fight back. And that's a guy thing, taking your lumps. 

Mary was --- refreshing. She's not a glamour girl, she actually encourages John to forgive Sherlock. And she's smart as a whip. Nice. 

The Train scene: I know a lot of people are incensed at Sherlock's ruse-- but really, how else was he ever going to get John to bend? On the other hand-- he knows John well. And John *did* forgive Sherlock, and they laughed about it afterwards. Why? The BOY way of conflict resolution. 

And by the way, Molly's boyfreind? Damn......just when you are sympathizing with her, she goes and reveals that, er, yep-- she's a bit of a nutcase. An adorable, Sherlock-obessed nut. 

Oh-- I LOVED Mrs. Hudson's anger at John for not contacting her for two years. 

This Sherlock *does* seem a bit regressed-- but in the sense that he reminds me of the Sherlock from the unaired Pilot. And I suspect that a lot of it is that you can't have a show where the lead character is completely unlovable. Maybe that's why we've got a kinder, gentler, Sherlock. 
 

 

January 2, 2014 7:06 pm  #73


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Molly a nutcase?
She's just in love...


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January 2, 2014 7:21 pm  #74


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besleybean wrote:

Molly a nutcase?
She's just in love...

Dressing up your boyfreind to look the the person you're really in love with-- that's a bit--well; if she were male, and dressed up a girlfriend to look like the obssed about person-- it would be creepy. But that's only my opinion. :-D

 

January 2, 2014 7:22 pm  #75


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Oh sorry, I completely missed that!


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January 2, 2014 7:25 pm  #76


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besleybean wrote:

Oh sorry, I completely missed that!

So did I, to be honest. I thought he'd deduced things about him that he didn't like - that he was a criminal or something.


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January 2, 2014 7:27 pm  #77


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Me too.  I actually thought they both recognised him!


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January 2, 2014 8:12 pm  #78


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After a second watch, I put my finger on what upsets me the most in that episode: my Johnlock feelings are hurt! Nah, but seriously, just not think slash here, just friendship, and it's just the same. 

In the previous seasons, I really enjoyed how John, little by little, made Sherlock a bit more "human". Even if Sherlock remained clumsy and tactless when it came to relationships (which gives him a part of his charm, really), you could clearly notice he was improving at John's through contact with John and I thought it was a good thing. 

I have no difficulty to understand he is unstable after two years on his own. We know that deep inside, he's not as cold as he seems to be, and we know he cares more for John, Mycroft, Mrs Hudson, Molly, Lestrade... that he would like to admit. Therefore, even if "caring is not an advantage", I find it hard to imagine Sherlock putting everything behind it that easily. Of course he was perfectly fine on his own, but then he experienced life with John and discovered what the word "friendship" meant.

I'm one of the people who think Sherlock was far more dependent on John than John was on him. So I'm pretty sure he missed John during those two years and that John hasn't been the only one to grieve.

He also has his pride (we know how much he cares about what people think of his work and of his capacities) and I guess it must have been hell for him to have his reputation ruined (even though he was then cleared), to be dead for the rest of the world, to stay in the "shadow", not to solve crimes with John & the police anymore... etc ect. That's what John implies at the end when he says Sherlock has missed being Sherlock Holmes. 

And then we don't know what happened during those two years but he certainly wasn't on a Bora Bora beach with feet up. We have a glimpse of what his every day life must have been at the beginning of the episode. Not a picnic, huh. 

So yeah, no wonder he comes back quite different. 

After a first watch, I thought his reunion with John in such a light tone, with him disguised as a waiter and thinking he was funny was really really cruel. If my husband, who killed himself in 2012, suddenly makes such a come back, believe me, I would be far less "indulgent" than John. As much as I would have loved a hug between them (all hope is not lost for later, though, hehe), John's reaction was to be expected. I really disliked Sherlock when he did that. 

But then, after the second watch, I thought it was probably the best reunion I could have hoped for. Sherlock is so tactless we couldn't expect more from him. And I actually find his clumsiness in that scene quite endearing to be honest (again, not if I were John!). He had expected John to have put his life on standby just because he was dead/gone and he probably expected him to throw himself into his arms. 

I would give a lot to know what's going on in Sherlock's head when John reacts in such a different way than the one he was expecting. 

Anyway, my point is that even though I unconsciously hoped he would have "matured" during his time away, it's only fair he has kinda "regressed". 

But then, why is he like this with John when he's getting all sentimental (that's a bit exaggerated but then we're talking about Sherlock, not about "normal" people, lol)  with Molly and Mycroft? I mean, playing games with Mycroft when he used to be annoyed by his simple presence? And those kind things he tells Molly and that kiss on the cheek? Yes, it's not the first time, but in SIB, he only gave her a kiss because of John giving him a dark look. There, no one is telling him what's good or bad, he's doing nice things spontaneously. 

I'm not saying he is incapable of being nice, it just annoys me that he is kind to other people but not to John. I know that being a die-hard Johnlocker, I'm a bit biaised about this, but still, even I think of them as just friends, I still think the same. 

It still would have been ok if there hadn't been that train scene at the end. That mockery. Yes, it sounds like Sherlock to do such a bad joke. Yes, he's done this before. Yes, he never learns his lesson. Yes.And no I wouldn't have minded such a scene in the second or third episode, but just after their reunion? Just when John is only starting to overcome the shock and the feeling of deception? Seriously?  Even for the tactless asshole Sherlock can be, that was utterly cruel and John truly is a good sort. 

Coming back different, "regressed", ok. But I would have hoped he would have softened again through the contact of the one he used to consider his only friend. But maybe it's just me... 

I'm glad there is that final exchange when he tells John "I heard you", and they look at each other, and then Sherlock lowers his eyes and changes the subject. I like to think he is quite touched at this moment. But who knows? He's Sherlock, after all... 


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January 2, 2014 10:25 pm  #79


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Just a small addition: TEH ends with Sherlock´s sentence: "Being Sherlock Holmes again". As if it now really starts. So the whole episode (which covers only one day) could be a kind of finding process for him and probably explain his somehow different behaviour. Let´s see what happens on Sunday, maybe we see more of the usual Sherlock then.

 

January 2, 2014 11:01 pm  #80


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Mouse wrote:

"Sherlock's behaviour looks as if he had found out that he can not only win through his intellect but also through emotional manipulation using his own person. We saw fake tears already in TGG but now his skills have improved. The situation in the tube carriage was perfectly acted to make John talk about his feelings.
I am not quite clear why that was necessary."

I'm with you. That scene ruined the episode for me. I don't expect him to be all warm and fuzzy, but egads...poor John. Why does John consider Sherlock his best friend again?

yes I found this almost disturbing, actually. The Sherlock we see here is almost like a drug for Watson. There is a line in A Study in Scarlet where Stanford says something like "I could imagine him giving his friend a pinch of a vegetable alkaloid out of curiority" (ie a potentially quite nasty poison). We have not really seen his emotional cold bloodedness or manipulativeness in full, or directed at John, before, and it feels quite wrong, especially since John is now, presumably, in a rather more healthy relationship.

It does feel like some crazy codependent thing, tbh, not actually any kind of love or friendship or comradeship or whatever you want to call it but something that, in the final analysis, is rather sinister.

I am guessing that shippers will be seeing this rather differently ;-)

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