BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012.


You are not logged in. Would you like to login or register?



November 5, 2013 6:20 pm  #1


Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

Ok, since it is practically impossible to discuss TLF without spoilers I think it is better to have a separate thread about it, don't you think?

I have seen it twice, so far, and I am resisting the temptation to watch it again, since I am sure I will discover more and more on every viewing. This is an excellent short from this point of view, because it gives you so many hints and invitations to speculate over the meanings.

I found the whole child question very interesting and multilayered. First of all, why is Wallace so shocked when James first asks him to look after his daughter? It shouldn't been such a great favour? I mean, he probably could expected something much more problematic and dangerous (ok, it turns out to be dangerous as hell, but only in a second moment). There are voices in his head "no, no, no..." probably related to some traumatic experience in the past, related to children. Also, he initially doesn't take girl's hand, sticks his hands in the pocket as if he were afraid of doing so and when he eventually gives her his hand, he takes it in a very strange way.
The image on the wall is clearly symbolic and in this case an allusion to children soldiers is obvious. The girl is such a soldier as well, not only because of her reflex and fight capacities, but also because of her killing in cold blood an injured man. The final Wallace's shocked expression comes not so much from the realisation that James has used him, IMO, but from seeing how deeply damaged this small girl is.  And I don't think she is even a real James's daughter.

 

November 5, 2013 6:32 pm  #2


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

I am sure she is not his daughter. I had the idea that he brought her with him from a mission in Africa but with what intentions? First to rescue and then to use her? Or did he want to use her from the very beginning?
Another thing: James says to her that she knows Wallace from photographs. However, to Wallace he says You know my Lilah. From the place James originally found her? 
So many questions. 


------------------------------
"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

November 5, 2013 7:43 pm  #3


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

SusiGo wrote:

I am sure she is not his daughter. I had the idea that he brought her with him from a mission in Africa but with what intentions? First to rescue and then to use her? Or did he want to use her from the very beginning?
Another thing: James says to her that she knows Wallace from photographs. However, to Wallace he says You know my Lilah. From the place James originally found her? 
So many questions. 

Exactly. Many, many questions (which is the point of a short film, I gather, similar to short stories). I do however have to say that I had expected something different- I don't know, the trailer had me anticipating a different outcome.The twist with the daughter was unexpected and clever, of course, but all in all, it didn't live up to my expectations (maybe because of all the hype in advance). Wallace's character remained a little two-dimensional as well in my opinion.
Lots of material for Sherlock crossovers though, hint hint.


______________________________________________________________________________________________________

"Why, why? I mean, why, why?"
"Four excellent questions."
 

November 5, 2013 8:20 pm  #4


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

I've seen it twice now, and just like some of you mentioned before: I did expect something a little different, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I'd agree that Lilah is not the daughter of James and that she must have some sort of experience with weapons and being in a fight. But apart from that, anything else is mostly still in some kind of a blur for me.
But what I know for certain: I do like the dark and forbidding atmosphere of the film, I like the emotions that can be seen in Benedict's face, I like the look on his face at the very end.

And I suppose that they all had a hell of a time shooting this film, just because I think that it's great for an actor to be part of a little dirty movie like this one, with lots of blood and violence and danger.


___________________________________________________
"Am I the current King of England?

"I see no shame in having an unhealthy obsession with something." - David Tennant
"We did observe." - David Tennant in "Richard II"

 
 

November 5, 2013 9:00 pm  #5


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

I agree with you, Solar, about the dark, threatening atmosphere. And I would not say that Benedict's character is two-dimensional. It can only be hinted at because there is so little time. Maybe they will really make a feature film of it.
And I love films you can discuss afterwards and speculate about what really happened. I will never forget the long discussion I had with my husband after we had watched "Angel Heart" for the first time. 


------------------------------
"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

November 5, 2013 9:16 pm  #6


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

I think Wallace didn't want to take care of the girl because he thought it wasn't for a few days. He suspected that James was in a big problem and that he probably was going to die therefore he was going to have to take care of Lilah forever. And that is not a very "little" favo(u)r to ask.
As for Wallace's shock at the end, I'm not sure if Lilah was or was not James' daughter but either way I think Wallace didn't expect her to be so well trained in combat and so insensible to violence.

 

November 5, 2013 9:31 pm  #7


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

I was under the impression that Wallace was kind of unstable mentally, and that's why he felt unable to take care of a child, even if it was just for a few hours.
He obviously screwed up a date that evening, that for me also was an indication that he just isn't well enough for 'normal' stuff like a girlfriend or taking care of a child. Also, look at his place... where the heck does he live...? It doesn't look like the perfect environment for a child, does it?
If I were in his position (or what I believe to be his position), I wouldn't want to take care of a child, either.


___________________________________________________
"Am I the current King of England?

"I see no shame in having an unhealthy obsession with something." - David Tennant
"We did observe." - David Tennant in "Richard II"

 
 

November 5, 2013 9:48 pm  #8


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

I had the impression that he screwed up the date because of his meeting with James. And Becky was pissed. 
As for his "home" - this was really strange. Sort of factory or warehouse. But he had quite an expensive car. 
I watched it with subtitles. When he enters the house with James a voice is heard saying "SF operators are not expendable". So I suppose he must have been with some special force during his time in the army. But I do not really know what to make of it. 


------------------------------
"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

November 5, 2013 9:49 pm  #9


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

I agree with both. Mrs.Watson and Solar.
The film was so short so we really have to look close. (Where he lives and so on...) Also the "voices in his head" (which I didn't all understand, btw.).
And when James was talking about "a few days" I also had the feeling, it might be forever instead.


__________________________________

"After all this time?" "Always."
Good bye, Lord Rickman of the Alan
 

November 5, 2013 9:56 pm  #10


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

Try the subtitles, Mattlocked. They show the voices in his head as well. 
And I agree with all of you that he feared to become responsible for the girl in case something happened to James. IMO the art object in his flat shows that he has not come to terms with his past and that he would not be able or ready to care for a child. 


------------------------------
"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

November 5, 2013 10:07 pm  #11


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

He's probably not even able to really take care of himself... cold pizza? That sort of sums it up, at least for me...

Last edited by SolarSystem (November 5, 2013 10:08 pm)


___________________________________________________
"Am I the current King of England?

"I see no shame in having an unhealthy obsession with something." - David Tennant
"We did observe." - David Tennant in "Richard II"

 
 

November 5, 2013 10:09 pm  #12


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

It is actually a bit sad to have nothing but cold pizza in your fridge. 


------------------------------
"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

November 5, 2013 10:12 pm  #13


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

Hm. We don't even have cold pizza. Only the cheese. 


__________________________________

"After all this time?" "Always."
Good bye, Lord Rickman of the Alan
 

November 5, 2013 10:18 pm  #14


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

I think the favour James asks Wallace for is a set-up.  He needs to draw out the cell group and plant the unassuming vulnerable female child into their mix.  He uses Wallace to achieve this by handing over Lyla to him and then uses contacts to relay this informtion (guy in the car when all those people are running by).

Now the questions:  Is Lyla is daughter? If yes..lots of I love you and kisses and hugs for a jaded unemotional child warrior being given and received from James. Plus the exchange of recognition from Lyla and Wallace. If No, what father trains their daughter to be a child warrior?
 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sherlock Holmes, "Perfectly sound analysis but I was hoping you'd go deeper."
 

November 5, 2013 11:20 pm  #15


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

Aditionally to what I said before, I agree with those who think that Wallace is mentally untestable. I don't know if he is hunted by the war... or if he misses it ;)

 

November 6, 2013 12:49 am  #16


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

Ah okay some of your questions have been answered by Adam/Paul/Benedict in earlier interviews and discussions about the film so maybe I can help you all out

Wallace's character is supposed to be recently returned from the war, suffering PTSD and struggling to re-adjust to civilian life. This is reflected in the voices he hears, the place he's living, his difficulties dating and also his hesitance in taking on the responsibility for someone else's child. Also, how quiet he is - he barely speaks in the beginning and when he does it's after a long pause like he's trying to find the right words or decide how it's appropriate for him to respond. He's barely, as someone has already said, able to take care of himself and he's really struggling mentally and emotionally, so I found it no surprise that the idea of being responsible for a child would be terrifying for him. You can also see his PTSD struggles in how wary he is of his environment. He peers around the wall into the alleyway very suspiciously until he's confirmed that the person waiting for him is James. Benedict's portrayal was really excellent in that way, I thought.

Also, I read an interview where they mentioned the film touching on child soldiers. Benedict commented that not many people realise that 40% of child soldiers are female. I remember this quote because I remember thinking "Who cares about the gender, it's a CHILD!"

As for your other questions - they are also mine. I sent a really long rambly OMG SO MANY QUESTIONS message to Susi on Tumblr about it

I'm unsure if Lilah is actually James' child. I strongly suspect she's not and that he's 'rescued' her from Afganistan only to use her when he gets her home. I was as confused as Wallace as to what was going on though. I think James used Lilah and set Wallace up so that he could draw out the 'bad guys'. James knew that Wallace could stand up to whatever they dished out and also that he wouldn't reveal anything, so he basically just sent him in to take a beating. James' coldness in using a child soldier was a little terrifying. Also, the fact that James had saved Wallace's life meant the favour was owed, so I guess that's another reason to use him.

As for the end, I don't agree with Miriel that Wallace was more confused about Lilah. I think he was struggling to work out what was going on, what was real, who was friend/foe. He was confused that Lilah turned out not to be a 'child' but a killer, James was there all along, there were voices and memories going on in his head and he'd just had the shit beaten out of him. I'm pretty sure I'd be confused too

I couldn't get a handle on who the 'bad guys' were and what their agenda was. I've only watched it once and I might try watching it again tonight with subtitles. There was a lot going on in a very short space of time and I'm positive I missed stuff!


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I dislike being outnumbered. It makes for too much stupid in the room

 

November 6, 2013 5:34 am  #17


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

I would agree that Wallace was confused in the end because he couldn't quite grasp what was going on. It seems he finally does fully understand during the last two seconds of the film. You can see how he is trying hard to work this out all over his face, great acting once again from Benedict. And he certainly didn't expect James to turn up, so I'd say he doesn't have a clue what's going on until the very end.

I'm not quite sure if I really like this somewhat complicated set up instigated by James. Could he really have foreseen how this would play out? We probably don't have enough information to know for sure... but it seems he must have been pretty sure that they'd try to get to him by taking away the child. To me there seems to be a bit too much of 'everyone knows in advance how everyone else will react' - apart from Wallace, he's the only one who hasn't got a clue.

And of course the weirdest questions tend to pop up in my head, so: does Benedict get Sherlock curls as soon as his hair gets sweaty or wet? Or were his curls just tamed in the beginning of the movie by putting product in his hair?


___________________________________________________
"Am I the current King of England?

"I see no shame in having an unhealthy obsession with something." - David Tennant
"We did observe." - David Tennant in "Richard II"

 
 

November 6, 2013 7:36 am  #18


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

Here are some thoughts: 
Lilah as a child soldier - according to the voice Wallace hears in his head he was a special forces operator. So where has he been? Afghanistan? Iraq? Do they employ child soldiers there? Lilah looks African to me. Where did James meet her if he was not her father? I guess that he and Wallace have been fighting together at some time. But James seems quite established while Wallace is still new in his civilian life. 
James mentions a bad deal got worse so I suppose that he is involved in criminal dealings and his partners or accomplices have turned against him. 
But you are right, Wholocked, that it is very difficult to plan all this ahead and foresee the reactions of people. On the other hand James seems to know Wallace quite well and definitely knows which buttons to press. 

Solar - ah, the curls. I think they helped a bit to make them that curly. But it is a nice touch how his hair changes from slicked down to a total mess and thereby reflecting his physical condition and state of mind. 


------------------------------
"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)



 
 

November 6, 2013 9:09 am  #19


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

SolarSystem wrote:

.... To me there seems to be a bit too much of 'everyone knows in advance how everyone else will react' - apart from Wallace, he's the only one who hasn't got a clue.

I think nobody knew anything in advance but James and Lilah.

SolarSystem wrote:

And of course the weirdest questions tend to pop up in my head, so: does Benedict get Sherlock curls as soon as his hair gets sweaty or wet? Or were his curls just tamed in the beginning of the movie by putting product in his hair?

 
Everyone who has/had curly hair and tried to get rid of the curls, but then has to step out in the fog or rain, should easily be able to answer that question. 


__________________________________

"After all this time?" "Always."
Good bye, Lord Rickman of the Alan
 

November 6, 2013 9:56 am  #20


Re: Little Favour (as many spoilers as needed)

Mattlocked wrote:

SolarSystem wrote:

.... To me there seems to be a bit too much of 'everyone knows in advance how everyone else will react' - apart from Wallace, he's the only one who hasn't got a clue.

I think nobody knew anything in advance but James and Lilah.

I'm not so sure, I'm under the impression that the bad guys were pretty sure that James would eventually show up once they'd taken the child and Wallace.

Mattlocked wrote:

SolarSystem wrote:

And of course the weirdest questions tend to pop up in my head, so: does Benedict get Sherlock curls as soon as his hair gets sweaty or wet? Or were his curls just tamed in the beginning of the movie by putting product in his hair?

 
Everyone who has/had curly hair and tried to get rid of the curls, but then has to step out in the fog or rain, should easily be able to answer that question.

Last edited by SolarSystem (November 6, 2013 9:57 am)


___________________________________________________
"Am I the current King of England?

"I see no shame in having an unhealthy obsession with something." - David Tennant
"We did observe." - David Tennant in "Richard II"

 
 

Board footera

 

Powered by Boardhost. Create a Free Forum