BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 » Johnlock: The Official Debate

Mattlocked · July 27, 2014 8:44 pm

So what? They may stay quite close to canon, but nevertheless I believe they still take the liberty of adding things/leaving things away they like/dislike.

besleybean · July 27, 2014 8:47 pm

I am not disputing that.

SusiGo · July 27, 2014 8:48 pm

So they make also take liberties with the characters' relationships.

besleybean · July 27, 2014 8:53 pm

They could, but have stated they haven't written it any differently.
Unless they have a Gestalt moment, or somebody nobbles them...
I don't see it changing.

Mattlocked · July 27, 2014 8:57 pm

Oh, I see a lot of changings!

SolarSystem · July 27, 2014 8:59 pm

SusiGo wrote:
So they make also take liberties with the characters' relationships.

Which can be seen when we look at Mary. In canon she practically doesn't exist at all, in BBC Sherlock she turns up in three episodes (so far). If that isn't writing character relationships differently, then I don't know what is.

besleybean · July 27, 2014 9:00 pm

I do think the characters will develop and progress, but I don't think either Sherlock and John are suddenly going to be into men.
Mary doesn't change being married to John.

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Mattlocked · July 27, 2014 9:02 pm

Not suddenly. But slowly.............

SolarSystem · July 27, 2014 9:04 pm

besleybean wrote:
Mary doesn't change being married to John.

Yeah, and she probably shot Sherlock in canon and ACD just didn't mention it.

tobeornot221b · July 27, 2014 9:04 pm

besleybean wrote:
I do think the characters will develop and progress, but I don't think either Sherlock and John are suddenly going to be into men.

They won't be going "into men", they would be going into ...each other - and they happen to be men.

SusiGo · July 27, 2014 9:06 pm

Yes. This.

Mattlocked · July 27, 2014 9:09 pm

SolarSystem wrote:
besleybean wrote:
Mary doesn't change being married to John.
Yeah, and she probably shot Sherlock in canon and ACD just didn't mention it.

Good point.

besleybean · July 27, 2014 9:10 pm

I've remembered what I meant to say.
I watched the film 'Paul' last night.
I really enjoyed it.
I love Simon.
Interestingly it has a gay joke all the way through it.
Specifically other characters all assuming the 2 guys are a couple, when they are just friends.
Dunno what it is about Brit humour that does this so much.

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SusiGo · July 27, 2014 9:18 pm

I do not know the film but I would like to know if the film is a serious drama, if one of the creators himself is gay and politically active in the LGBTG community, if the person commissioning the film was gay, if it is produced by a company that has an express LGBTG friendly policy ...

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besleybean · July 27, 2014 9:23 pm

No to the 1st and I have no idea about the rest.
I do however support full artistic freedom.

SusiGo · July 27, 2014 9:25 pm

besleybean wrote:
No to the 1st and I have no idea about the rest.
I do however support full artistic freedom.

So do I. And this includes showing characters in a love relationship that has not been explored before.

besleybean · July 27, 2014 9:27 pm

I would love that too, but do not think that is the remit of BBC Sherlock.

Mattlocked · July 27, 2014 9:28 pm

Paul? Is it the one with Simon Pegg?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1092026/

SolarSystem · July 27, 2014 9:29 pm

What does "full artistic freedom" have to do with "remit"?

besleybean · July 27, 2014 9:33 pm

Well I think the Sherlock team express their artisitc freedom and they have stated they did not write the guys as a couple.
Yes, the Simon Pegg film.