Side of Angels wrote:

Wow, I can't believe I read this entire thread.

Anyway, I found this forum because I was curious as to whether or not I was the only one who saw some UST between Sherlock and John. When I did a Google search on the topic, this thread came up.

My own personal views are more or less going to be a rehash of things already said, but here goes: I know that the show's creators deny anything beyond a bromance, but as a Doctor Who fan, I also know that Moffat lies. I'm not saying that he's defnitely lying here, but I take his words with a grain of salt. I accept that I might be reading too much into things due to the amazing chemistry between Martin and Ben, but there are also those little comments that come up here and there, such as John telling Irene that he's not gay, and Irene responding with, "I am, and look at us both," that make me think maybe we Johnlockers are on to something.

It's not that I want to take Sherlock and John's friendship and turn it sexual, or that I don't think bromance is good enough. I simply think they'd make a cute and interesting romantic couple (sex or no sex), especially considering how much they love and care for each other already. Whether or not I'd actually want to see Johnlock on the show -- I'm torn. On the one hand, shows often seem to lose something when UST is resolved. On the other hand, it would be fun to see them as a couple (and no, I wouldn't need to see any sex or evidence of it). Oh well, I'll just put my faith in the almighty Moftiss to make that decision for the show, and I'll just have to check out the fanfic recommendations for the time being!

 
Have you been to this thread yet dear?

The Comprehensive Johnlock Guide
http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=4862

We have loads of fun there.  

Side of Angels wrote:

Wow, I can't believe I read this entire thread.

Anyway, I found this forum because I was curious as to whether or not I was the only one who saw some UST between Sherlock and John. When I did a Google search on the topic, this thread came up.

My own personal views are more or less going to be a rehash of things already said, but here goes: I know that the show's creators deny anything beyond a bromance, but as a Doctor Who fan, I also know that Moffat lies. I'm not saying that he's defnitely lying here, but I take his words with a grain of salt. I accept that I might be reading too much into things due to the amazing chemistry between Martin and Ben, but there are also those little comments that come up here and there, such as John telling Irene that he's not gay, and Irene responding with, "I am, and look at us both," that make me think maybe we Johnlockers are on to something.

It's not that I want to take Sherlock and John's friendship and turn it sexual, or that I don't think bromance is good enough. I simply think they'd make a cute and interesting romantic couple (sex or no sex), especially considering how much they love and care for each other already. Whether or not I'd actually want to see Johnlock on the show -- I'm torn. On the one hand, shows often seem to lose something when UST is resolved. On the other hand, it would be fun to see them as a couple (and no, I wouldn't need to see any sex or evidence of it). Oh well, I'll just put my faith in the almighty Moftiss to make that decision for the show, and I'll just have to check out the fanfic recommendations for the time being!

 
So nicely said. I think this is almost the way I see it 
This I find very interesting: "...but as a Doctor Who fan, I also know that Moffat lies. "
Don't we all know? 

And this seems to be the way I feel: "...It's not that I want to take Sherlock and John's friendship and turn it sexual, or that I don't think bromance is good enough. I simply think they'd make a cute and interesting romantic couple (sex or no sex), especially considering how much they love and care for each other already. Whether or not I'd actually want to see Johnlock on the show -- I'm torn."

Anyway: Have fun at the Johnlock Guide thread! 

And what about this? "...but as a Doctor Who fan, I also know that Moffat lies. " 

Very fitting indeed. I love Ivyblossom's tumblr and her fanfics.  

And a quote in which he does not seem to lie for a change and which I like very much: 

“Everyone should enjoy the show the way they want to and all interpretations are equally valid.”
—     Steven Moffat on Sherlock. 

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Of course we do. But it has always been like that. People who did not like to see an emotional Sherlock quoted the "Sentimentalise him at your own risk" thing. And now look what they got in series 3. 

I know you did not. It was just an example.
The funny thing is that Mark and Steven themselves say they are lying and seem to be absolutely fine with it. I do not accuse them of doing it, I am just stating a fact. Of course they do not want to give away anything about the show - be it Moriarty's fate or the direction the relationship of Sherlock and John will take.
So they said Moriarty was dead and maybe he is not. 
So they might say there will be no Johnlock and maybe there will. 

I do not get your words about Mary - full reasons? Do you think people do not like her because she comes between Sherlock and John? This is one perfectly good reason and not really a secret but there are more which are based on the way she behaves as a character and which have been discussed in detail in other threads. And last not least Canon in which she dies and Holmes and Watson live together again. Nothing mysterious about that. 
 

Are all things that happened canon? I am not in canon that much so I really don't know.

So ... what's the problem with relationships of any kind then?

Right, so let's do it.

Where can I sign this?