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August 7, 2016 4:19 pm  #6461


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Very interesting indeed. I haven't thought about it that way, but you are right. 

More fuel for the fanfics. 


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August 7, 2016 4:24 pm  #6462


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Vhanja wrote:

Very interesting indeed. I haven't thought about it that way, but you are right. 

More fuel for the fanfics. 

There are tons of fanfic with Sherlock being sub already. Some of them really good. :-D


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August 7, 2016 4:43 pm  #6463


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Schmiezi wrote:

There are tons of fanfic with Sherlock being sub already. Some of them really good. :-D

I know, I've even written one myself. 


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August 7, 2016 5:03 pm  #6464


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

This discussion is way out of my expertise and comfort zone! 
But anyhow, I think Sherlock and John are loving friends who do not fancy each other.


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August 7, 2016 5:06 pm  #6465


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Sherlock is a total bottom.  It is known.


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August 7, 2016 5:07 pm  #6466


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I am not familiar with that expression.


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August 7, 2016 5:18 pm  #6467


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

It is known.


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August 7, 2016 5:23 pm  #6468


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Not by me!


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August 7, 2016 5:30 pm  #6469


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Vhanja wrote:

It is known.

And John loves (ans manages) to be his top. It is known.


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August 7, 2016 5:31 pm  #6470


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Sheesh, may as well go back to glitter fairies...makes as much sense!


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August 7, 2016 5:39 pm  #6471


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Lol, sorry, besley. Couldn't help myself. 


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August 7, 2016 5:41 pm  #6472


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

No need to apologise, though sometimes may be helpful for contributors to explain cultural language.


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August 7, 2016 5:41 pm  #6473


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Top and Bottom are simply another way to identify on who is the dominate and who is the submissive in a relationship. 


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August 7, 2016 5:43 pm  #6474


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Yes I got that, though...
Don't really see what it matters.
Mary got pregnant, however they did it.


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August 7, 2016 5:48 pm  #6475


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

besleybean wrote:

Yes I got that, though...
Don't really see what it matters.
Mary got pregnant, however they did it.

Lying back and thinking of England probably.


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August 7, 2016 5:49 pm  #6476


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Very possibly.


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August 7, 2016 5:50 pm  #6477


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

LOL! 


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August 7, 2016 6:00 pm  #6478


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I don't think it matters, it's just a little detail.   Interestingly, Irene doesn't give away much herself, and the scene where Sherlock checks her pulse and finds she is aroused does not involve powerplay, references to SM, etc.  

With John, I don't see any indication he's a top.

(Just to confuse things, top and bottom is really broad, yet again, with top roughly being the doer, and bottom being the done to, in both BDSM for all sexes, and vanilla sex between men, I believe ... and those two things are not the same thing at all!  So I'd say there's a little bit of evidence for Sherlock being a bottom in the BDSM sense, but not in the other sense.   And none for John, unless somebody wants to make a case? ).

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August 7, 2016 6:02 pm  #6479


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I don't see evidence of Sherlock being sexual at all...but I know the Sherlock team disagree with me.


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August 7, 2016 6:16 pm  #6480


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I don't think he is asexual, although I do see how people read him that way.  ASIB is quite similar to TPLOSH in some ways, and in TPLOSH I do see Sherlock as being probably gay, and falling for the Irene character in his own way.  It's a little bit romantic, but not really sexual.   In contrast to that, the scenes between Sherlock and Irene seem to be sexually charged.   And there's confirmation of Irene being aroused by Sherlock, of course (with the implication that it was two way). 

 

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