@Liberty . Idk . I worked in a popular night club in London in 04/05 SoHo ish . What Sherlock said is pretty much the way everyone says they are gay now ? I don't do girlfriends , or I don't have girlfriends but no boyfriend atm etc.
To me it just seemed like a regular I'm gay like I used to hear every night .No biggie 
Isn't that how people say it these days .
I think I mentioned before , but when John mentions Lady C . & Sherlock mentions her feet , that is a line taken straight out of tplosh , to show Sherlock is gay .

lol. Besley. I thought they did in Pink  I guess Angelo Mrs Hudson and Mycroft made the same mistake?

 

There is a point about Sherlock perhaps being gay.

Those who knows him well and have known him for years (Angelo, Mrs. Hudson) immediately assumes Sherlock and John are a couple. Even Mycroft makes a joke about it. It makes no sense that they would jump to that conclusion so qucikly unless Sherlock is gay. 

Of course, it can also be as simple as it only beng gay jokes that have absolutely no deeper meaning. That was my first thinking when I saw the series for the first time anyway.

I believe it's called humour.
Though I do think he's being serious when he implies Sherlock is a virgin...in SIB, btw.

Mothonthemantel wrote:

@Liberty . Idk . I worked in a popular night club in London in 04/05 SoHo ish . What Sherlock said is pretty much the way everyone says they are gay now ? I don't do girlfriends , or I don't have girlfriends but no boyfriend atm etc.
To me it just seemed like a regular I'm gay like I used to hear every night .No biggie
Isn't that how people say it these days .
I think I mentioned before , but when John mentions Lady C . & Sherlock mentions her feet , that is a line taken straight out of tplosh , to show Sherlock is gay .

Yes, I think if that statement was on it's own, it would certainly come across that way, and in fact, John takes it that way initially.     But I think it becomes clear that Sherlock just doesn't date.  We never see John asking again about boyfriends (or girlfriends) because Sherlock doesn't date either.  John's surprise with Janine is I think surprise that Sherlock is dating at all, not that he's dating a woman rather than a man. 

Yes, you did mention that quote!  At this point, Sherlock seems to be trying to fob John off when he's talking about relationship, so he's claiming only a detached interest in the women ("formidable opponent", etc.) which John appears to see through.   This is intuitive, perceptive, mind palace John.   

Moftiss have also mentioned that the idea of people mistaking them for gay is a reference to TPLOSH as well (where Sherlock pretended they were a gay couple, and Watson was terrified about people thinking they were gay - and didn't want Sherlock to be gay either).  I don't think Mrs Hudson, Angelo or anyone have seen Sherlock with a boyfriend, but people do make assumptions - single guy without girlfriends, two guys in a restaurant together, two men of a certain age living together, etc.  I suspect it's also a nod to the fact that people do ship them, in canon and adaptations.    But all these assumptions are wrong - whatever you think of their sexual orientation, or even whether they fancy each other, they are not out on a meal date in ASIP, they have not moved in together as lovers, etc. 

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No,  they have previously made the assumption about Sherlock, too.
People will talk.
As Sherlock says: that's what people do.

People get to define themselves.
Others don't do it for them.

I also think Mycroft is just teasing John a bit and he knows Sherlock couldn't cares less what he thinks abut him- let alone what he says.

I see no attraction to Lady Carmichael at all.
I do think that to Irene is overstated, but then I'm possibly overruled on that by both Benedict and Steven.
I could believe there was no attraction to Irene at all, apart from that last wistful look and the 'THE woman' comment.
So I think John could be right with Irene, though I'm not sure on Lady Carmichael.

Last edited by besleybean (January 31, 2016 4:57 pm)

Liberty wrote:

I think some people see a (sexual) attraction to Irene and some don't.  With Lady Carmichael we don't actually see it (well, nothing I noticed, anyway).  But John brings up both of them as examples of Sherlock being attracted, and given that this is the perceptive John created by Sherlock to question himself (it gets complicated!), I take his word for it.   Sherlock is uncomfortable about being questioned (by himself, essentially!), I think because it's something he avoids thinking about, but something that is important to who he is. 

Once again your millage may vary.   MP John thinks that Sherlock is attracted to women because real life Sherlock is afraid that John thinks these things.  He's afraid that John has it all wrong.