BBC Sherlock Fan Forum - Serving Sherlockians since February 2012 » Johnlock: The Official Debate

besleybean · January 19, 2016 5:58 pm

Yes, but I still feel the same.
The show is about a developing friendship.

Liberty · January 19, 2016 6:36 pm

I think what's interesting to me about the friendship right at the beginning, is that it sticks very close to canon in some ways, but it seems to explore more why these two are attracted to each other, why they need each other and "complete" each other. I don't feel John in particular is quite the same as ACD's Watson either. He's a bit edgier, I think, and Sherlock sees that in him.

I agree about the friendship developing, Besleybean.

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RavenMorganLeigh · January 19, 2016 6:45 pm

SusiGo wrote:
This is true. And not few of these crime-solving/adventurous pairs have been or become couples:

Mulder and Scully
Wimsey and Vane
Nick and Nora Charles
The Doctor and Rose

Oh, but I do detect a pattern. About time for a same-sex crime-solving couple, I suppose.

Starsky and Hutch! (ducks)

SusiGo · January 19, 2016 6:47 pm

besleybean wrote:
Yes, but I still feel the same.
The show is about a developing friendship.

Which is your personal impression. Other people may disagree. It would be nice to add an "I think" or "I suppose".

In here we often had the argument that the writers would not digress so far from Canon, hence no Johnlock:
I will never understand how people seem more ready to accept that Sherlock is murderer (something he never ever was in Canon) than him being in love with John.

besleybean · January 19, 2016 6:51 pm

Now, can anyone remember? Am I right in thinking Steven(or someone) once said that Sherlock really murdered the canon guy...sorry I can't remember which story. Where a woman kills him at the end?
I disagree with Steven, anyway.
However, Canon Holmes definitely threatens murder in...The Three Caballeros.

I would be happy to accept the boys as lovers.
But the team have said they're not doing this.

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SusiGo · January 19, 2016 6:53 pm

And since the team never lies …

besleybean · January 19, 2016 6:54 pm

We'll see.

Liberty · January 19, 2016 7:17 pm

Yes, they seem to have taken the approach that Sherlock murdering someone was canonical:

Moffat: Also, if you read [The Adventure Of] Charles Augustus Milverton, Dr. Watson in the opening paragraph tells you that he’s about to tell you a porkie. He says, ‘I even now must be very reticent.’ I think what Doyle is hinting at is that Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson sat in Baker Street and said, ‘Right, we’re going to have to go and kill him, aren’t we? That’s the only way we can do this.’ So they break in, kill him, and then Dr. Watson writes up a version of the story that puts the murder [on someone else].

Gatiss: They’re hiding in their burglar masks behind the curtain, and this random woman comes and shoots Milverton in the face and then grinds her heel into his face. It’s odd, isn’t it? So I mean really, it’s just an extrapolation of saying, ‘Well, he probably did it, I think.’

(from http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/sherlock-series-3-secrets/ )

Schmiezi · January 20, 2016 5:23 am

besleybean wrote:
However, Canon Holmes definitely threatens murder in...The Three Caballeros.

Really?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038166/
I would love to see Sherlock in that.

Um, or do you mean "The three Garridebs"?

ukaunz · January 20, 2016 5:45 am

The Three Caballeros

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SolarSystem · January 20, 2016 7:44 am

SusiGo wrote:
besleybean wrote:
Yes, but I still feel the same.
The show is about a developing friendship.
Which is your personal impression. Other people may disagree. It would be nice to add an "I think" or "I suppose".

And furthermore, this friendship develops pretty fast, if you ask me. At the end of ASiP John is running down the corridors of a huge building, shouting "Sherlock!" at the top of his voice because he fears he might lose him. And he has only met Sherlock what, the day before? Yes, right, John might just do that for any other person he believes to be in danger... but I think not. At least not like this. And yes, John is attracted to Sherlock because like a drowning man clutching at a straw he seems to know right from the start that Sherlock will be able to save him from that dreadful life he's leading when he meets Sherlock.
But there is more. It's clearly visible at the end of ASiP. So after only one episode we have a friendship that goes so much deeper than any other friendship would after only two days. Lots of room for development, if you ask me...

nakahara · January 20, 2016 8:05 am

ukaunz wrote:
The Three Caballeros

Thank you for The Three Caballeros, ukaunz, I had a good laugh over this.

SusiGo · January 20, 2016 8:08 am

I would definitely watch this.

Harriet · January 20, 2016 12:42 pm

Do you think this will be shown in Germany, too?

SusiGo · January 20, 2016 1:35 pm

I hope the ARD will be open to crossovers.

Mattlocked · January 20, 2016 4:08 pm

Thank god we don't need the ARD

SusiGo · January 20, 2016 4:14 pm

Indeed. If we did, we would die ignorant.

tonnaree · January 20, 2016 4:18 pm

What is the ARD? *looks dumb*

nakahara · January 20, 2016 4:21 pm

German TV channel.

SusiGo · January 20, 2016 4:44 pm

Those who kept TAB from us. On TV and on screen.