Thanks for clearing that up. You know that for the film version they pasted on the romantic rnding on the Danube? It is not in the novel.

Mark isn't a character in Sherlock.
Because he's gay, does he have to always write gay characters?
He has said he thinks Mycroft is gay.

I've never accepted the notion of queer baiting.
At least in reference to BBC Sherlock...which is the only place I have heard the accusation.
I personally think it's (at least)an awful and quite unfair charge to level at my beloved writing team.
Two decent men, talented, intelligent and moral who write the best TV they can, in the way they want to.
Though they speak passionately about wanting to both honour the canon and nod to other Sherlock productions.

I really don't know what else to say, Harriet.
I feel we're covering areas we've been over before.
For me the situation falls into a few categories:
1. There are occasions where some see Johnlock and others don't.
2. Then there are the direct occasions in the show where other characters have mistaken the boys for being gay.
Then apparently John says he thinks Sherlock is gay, in his blog. I didn't know about this. I am prepared to accept the official blog as much as I do dvd content and other interviews. But other people mistaking the character as gay, does not make them gay...or even attracted to each other.
3. Only the other day, I was speaking to my hubby about the 'gay joke' thing and how in British culture guys constantly jibe each other about being gay...he certainly recognised the phenomenon.

I really am frustrated as to what to say to the Johnlock believers. Because I just don't see it and don't think I ever will.

Last edited by besleybean (January 16, 2016 3:46 pm)

Excuse me.
What does 'get personal' mean in this context?
I thought we were supposed to give our personal views?
I can't speak for anybody else but myself.

Last edited by besleybean (January 16, 2016 3:49 pm)

No, being frustrated is an emotion regardless.
The cause may be justified or not.
I wasn't expressing my frustration with the fans so much as Johnlock itself.
It's a fact of life and something I have to deal with, but I don't always find it easy.
I was trying to address the issues of being part of a forum...but obviously, we all manage.
Well the Irene one isn't such a biggie for me, as personally the jury is out on that one.
But 'undermining' might occur purely by engaging in discussion...well I guess 'reading and exchanging ideas' on a forum.
Personally I have been so influenced by peoples ideas on here, that I have changed my views upon things...but then sometimes I change back again.
I find I really deal with the most up-to-date information I have.
As I've mentioned before, if I ever got to speak to Mark or Steven- definitely something I'd want to ask them about.

Last edited by besleybean (January 16, 2016 4:06 pm)

Well, I don't know if it's really my job to convince anybody of anything.
Like all of us on here, all we can say is how we see things.

I'm pleased to see you're not frustrated.
In the context you meantion it, neither am I.
The team have always delivered the goods.
I'm sure they'll continue to do so: whether it's just Sherlock and John, or if it's Sherlock, John + Mary.

Last edited by besleybean (January 16, 2016 4:11 pm)

Yes obviously they can do what they want and maybe it's more about our personal interests.
To borrow from John, personally I don't care how Sherlock faked his death!
As for Mary, it's more the question of whether she's in for the long haul.

Chortle.

tonnaree wrote:

SusiGo wrote:

Provided that there is anything that can still shock us.

But dear god I want them to try!   

 
Ah, but that is the disadvantage in a fandom of superbrains. Almost anything has probably crossed our minds.