Yes, a lovely set indeed.

Liberty wrote:

  But I do agree that they seem to have quite happily and knowingly set it up for fanfiction, etc.
 

Why would they?

To address this particular line of discussion.
Remember, the writers have said that they were aware of certain sniggerings about Holmes and Watson.
Rather than ignore this, they decided to play with the idea.
I maintain that ACD wrote Holmes as he did, because to be asexual(or at least celibate) was something different and thought to be odd. 
Romance goes against every grain of Sherlock's being, emotions and the time and energy you have to spend on a relationship...they just simply get in the way of his work and he's actually just not into that kind of stuff.

Can I add, that once again I was lying awake this morning and had various thoughts about Sherlock and John...some of which I wouldn't put here, for fear of offence.
I know there was something I wanted to contribute and of course I now cannot for the life of me think what it was.
I have considered keeping a notebook by my bed.
But I would be furious enough about noting down stuff for work...never mind for a Sherlock forum- that does rather seem a bridge too far!
But certainly bed is often where I have my greatest ideas!
Maybe it will come back to me at another time...

Last edited by besleybean (January 16, 2016 12:41 pm)

Very true, ukaunz. And there is this quote by Billy Wilder:

“I should have been more daring. I have this theory. I wanted Holmes homosexual and not admitting it to anyone, including maybe even himself. The burden of keeping it a secret was the reason he took dope."

IMO Sherlock is an further development of this, of what Wilder wanted to do and could not because of censorship. The outer restrictions have been replaced by inner restrictions, reasons that are explored within the course of the narrative. 

Yes Ukaunz good link.

Beasleybean . ACD Holmes is not BBC Holmes , it doesn't  follow if one was one thing so is the other.
I thought ACD views on homosexuality were sympathetic for the time .Raffles was written by ACDs brother in law as a form of flattery and Raffles and Bunny were a gay take on SH + JW, ACD did not object.

Liberty . I thought Sherlock made the women in tab all quite angry and untrustworthy , I did not notice any of them being attractive or anything to Holmes. Could you expand on what you mean in Sherlocks character or a more suitable thread as OT for here please .

Last edited by Mothonthemantel (January 16, 2016 11:38 am)

Me too

Lol, good poin, Susi. I have to admit, that line from Irene shocked me first time I heard it. Not because I found it offensive, but because I never expected something of that caliber in such a show.

Provided that there is anything that can still shock us.

That no kiss could be shown is a strange pov considering BBC had a m/m couple kiss back in 1987 at around 7 -8pm ,and have shown many more since.

I thought in tplosh the joke where Sherlock admires the ballerinas arches was a joke that while the straight men were admiring other parts of the female body , Holmes wasn't because he was gay. Coincidence then that BBC Holmes made the same joke ?

besleybean wrote:

Though of course those versions are not the same as the Mark and Steven's one.
They're as fond of canon as they are of TPLOSH.
They do use the same themes though: playing with the idea of being gay.
Just like BBC Sherlock, TPLOSH has Sherlock going off into the sunset with Irene.
Ok, BBC Sherlock came back.

 
When did this exactly happen?  Holmes never went into the sunset with Ilse. She was executed. We must have seen different versions, I suppose.