ukaunz wrote:

I like the way this person thinks. Maybe Sherlock and John are both gender fluid.
http://asherlockstudy.tumblr.com/post/133284476015/sherlock-not-oblivious

I'm not really sure what gender fluid means, but this is the meta that has come closest to the view I have of this restaurant scene. I've always wondered what Sherlock's stare means, never been able to interpret it. This gives an interesting take on it. I've also never seen John as flirting here.

Last edited by Vhanja (December 17, 2015 3:44 pm)

Oh, ok. No, I never get the impression that fits either of them. Apart from that, I loved that meta, though. Am now reading my way through the other stuff on that site. 

Edit: From what I've read so far (which is... ahem... most of the metas), the author doesn't seem to regard them as gender fluid, but sexually fluid. The more I read these metas, the more I like them. A lot of what the author writes fits perfectly with what I've been thinking myself.

Last edited by Vhanja (December 17, 2015 4:36 pm)

A meta is nothing more or less than a fans own interpretation of the show. And I have seldom read a meta that doesn't include at least some amount of pure speculation and often also quite a bit of seeing patterns that might not be there. And, not to forget, over-analzying.

I've mentioned it before, but when you have a show like this - that is quite complicated and well-written, and with long stretches of hiatus between each update, speculations, analyzing and over-analysing are bound to happen. It did in HP and it does now in Sherlock. And when this show is finally and truly over, I am sure that 80% of everything written will turn it to be completely wrong (and the 20% who was right can live of that for quite a few years).

However,being  a part of the fandom is, for me, partly about enjoying these kind of analyzes. I love to read about the show and read about how other view the characters and their behaviour. And with a fandom that differs so much in views and opinions, it's even more fun to read about someone having understood the scenes quite the same as I have.

That doesn't mean me or the meta-writer have any bigger chance than others of being right at the end of the day. I'm just having fun and enjoying myself in the fandom while I wait.

Vhanja wrote:

Oh, ok. No, I never get the impression that fits either of them. Apart from that, I loved that meta, though. Am now reading my way through the other stuff on that site. 

Edit: From what I've read so far (which is... ahem... most of the metas), the author doesn't seem to regard them as gender fluid, but sexually fluid. The more I read these metas, the more I like them. A lot of what the author writes fits perfectly with what I've been thinking myself.

 
Yes sorry I just took the phrase "gender fluid" from the blog without really knowing what it meant, but from the blog I was understanding it more as their sexualities are fluid.

I'm just here for the fun too. I fact, I'm quite easily swayed by good arguments on both sides, so I frequently swing between believing these metas and then going nah, they're reading too much into it.

Last edited by ukaunz (December 17, 2015 8:36 pm)

I think we clearly dwell on it all too much. The problem with a big fanbase combined with a long hiatus is that we have the time to think about something and analyze into more detail that was ever intended.

Sure, Sherlock is a well-thought out and well-written show with complex and layered characters. But it wasn't written to be dissected in every possible way for three years. At some point, we will get beyond the point of layers and clues, and simply dive into "we're thinking far too much into this"-territory.

Harriet wrote:

You can tell real art by the fact that one can spend much more than only three years on it and still discover something new and amazing. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that in 100 years BBC Sherlock is still good for discussions and interpretations.

If we only look at Arwel's job. And more so the writers! How much have we already discovered of what they might have intended? Or what is contained in their work, beyond their own singular minds?

No, we are not more or less done already.

*high fives Harriet*
 

The people who give awards for production design will know about his work and appreciate it accordingly. And if I am not mistaken, he has indeed received awards for Sherlock.

Of course it is not just the technical realism of the train carriage but details like the fact that bomb looks like a human heart that prove Arwel's genius. 

I like this one:

http://asherlockstudy.tumblr.com/post/135520355865/fuckyeahjohnlockfluff-incurablylazydevil

I know. Like with any Johnlock argument, there is always a counter-argument. So it always boils down to how you want to interpret it yourself.