Do people only believe the writers when they say something they agree with?

SusiGo wrote:

Regarding Mark Gatiss and his view on The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (nothing about gay jokes in here). This is not about "Sherlock" so I tend to believe him here more than when he talks about the show:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2010/nov/07/mark-gatiss-sherlock-holmes

To be honest, all that they say about Private Life convinces me that if they were going to go down the Johnlock route, they wouldn't make it "desperately unspoken".  They would right that wrong.   I hope they wouldn't write them as closeted in the 2010s. 

(I don't see anything in the article that doesn't fit with what Mark says in the interview - he says they're referencing the scene mentioned in the article).
 

Last edited by Liberty (December 22, 2014 10:26 pm)

tonnaree wrote:

nakahara wrote:

Do you realise that unlike Sherlock, Moriarty had absolutely no motive to fake his death?
If they unmake his death, they would turn TRF into a farce.
"The Adventure of an Epic Shark-Jump"

I joke a lot but to be serious for a moment I could not agree with you more.  I still hold out the hope that Moriarty's resurection is a sham.  If he's really still alive it would invalidate every emotion I felt at the fall.

Smartass side note:  BBC Three may ship it harder than I do.  

Yes, the ending of HLV was kind of brutal, and I like the fact that in TRF Sherlock manages to outwit Moriarty ... I would hate to think Moriarty had outwitted him all along. 
 

SusiGo wrote:

Wow, that escalated quickly, trying to keep up somehow. Just my two cents:

I was struck once again by how selective Mark's answers were. Gay joke and all that, but not a word about empty chairs, about the dancefloor, about coming back to life for John, about the tarmac scene.
He mentions Sherlock saying he has neither boyfriend nor girlfriend, about suppressing his feelings, about being focussed on his brain only. Which is basically series 1 stuff. 
It is as if series 3 never happened. And this is quite suspicious in itself. 

And honestly - much of series 3 does not make sense without Johnlock. Take that away from TSoT and you are left with a not very satisfying murder attempt and a lot of people drinking champagne. And do not get me started on HLV.

It think it completely makes sense if you can see the relationship as central (without being sexual).  Don't you think they can love each other without feeling "that" way about each other?  That's not S1 - it's the whole 3 series (for me).  The "transport" part is about Sherlock and sex, and that continues all the way through the series - he just doesn't go there.  Loving John is stated openly (I'm sure by the writers in interviews, but definitely in the actual writing).  I suppose that kind of love doesn't worry him so much (and on the evidence he's got to go on, being with John helps him rather than hinders him).
 

silverblaze wrote:

besleybean wrote:

Do people only believe the writers when they say something they agree with?

Yes they do. 

And this obviously goes both ways. Just sayin'.
 

And despite the evidence of the writer directly speaking out againat it, you won't change your mind?

Sorry, I did remember that afterwards.
Yes, I recall your views are similar to mine:  I love Johnlock as my own, personal fantasy,
I think it's fine in fan art, fan fic and fan videos.
But this is separate from the shiow that inspired these creative works.

I would have been delighted if they had made it a full gay romp.
I would have been happy to be proven wrong on Johnlock...
But in the face of reality, I feel the only rational response is to accept it is not there and is not going to happen,

Which of course is what Mark said.

lil wrote:

'Desperately unspoken ' does seem a perfectly fitting phrase for the airport farewell Mofftiss wrote also. Is that just a nod to TPLOSH in Sherock...or a hint at something completely different?.

Yes! The airport farewell scene is VERY fitting for the term "desperately unspoken"!