My view of Johnlock is this:

I honestly don't believe neither the script writers nor the actors intended it to be portrayed as a gay interest. However, I do also see that a lot of the scenes can easily be interpreted that way. And I believe botth Mofatt/Gattis and Cumby/Martin are too clever to not see that themselves.

Therefore I am not really sure what they are playing at. I mean... most of the scenes and statements can easily be interpreted as a close friendship and nothing more - except the Knee Grab with the "I don't mind"-comment. I am simply unable to fit that into a friendship. And I am also very confused as to WHY they decided to add that bit. There was no reason for it at all, it could just as easily have been dropped and it would have no impact on the show whatsoever.

So why keep putting things in that can so easily be viewed as more than a friendship when they keep stating there isn't anything more?

I believe them, I honestly believe we will never see any Johnlock in the series. However, I do ship it, but it's more something to entertain me when I'm bored instead of something I honestly believe we will ever see.
 

No, I haven't. What does it say? You got a link?

You are free to open one anytime. 

Vhanja, it said the BBC is willing to create a big-impact LGBT show (very short version!)

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/diversity/pdf/media_portayal_lgb_audiences_nov2012.pdf

and a commentary for Sherlock context here:
http://loudest-subtext-in-television.tumblr.com/post/88272799479/softly-softly-the-bbcs-2009-lgb-research

Last edited by Harriet (December 11, 2014 7:37 pm)

I just don't want a nonlock thread to be really negative. It shouldn't be a place where people come to bitch about johnlockers, I like you guys too much for that.  But a positive thread about something you disagree with... mmmm. 

I agree with what you're saying, Vhanja (and I'm all for shipping it!  I just don't see it in the show).   The drunk scene?  Honestly, I think it's meant to be funny.   This is what guys do when they get drunk - get affectionate, talk nonsense, throw up, etc.  It's kind of amusing that these rather uptight, reserved guys, after alcohol, are reduced to acting like ordinary people - particularly Sherlock.   If anything, they're rather restrained (where's all the classic hugging and "I love you"s?) for friends who care so much about each other. For them, though, I suppose it's quite sweet and affectionate. 

(Or is being overly affectionate when drunk a cultural/British thing?)

I remember J.K.Rowling vetoing Harry and Ron hugging each other at the end of a HP-movie, because that's not what mates would do in England/Britain, she said. That's a mushy US thing. 

Thanks for the links. I won't be able to read it all now, and I am not arguing against Johnlock, per se. I do ship it myself and it would actually be awesome if it did happen. I just seriously doubt that it will. 

I also have to say that if the series suddenly turned all out gay, with Sherlock and John in an obvious romantic relationship... that would actually feel a bit wrong for me. It would feel equally wrong if they removed all the bits that can be interpreted either way and stated without any doubt that there were no gay tones at all, period.

I actually like the sort of neverland the series is in now, where there is enough hints to easily view them as more than friends, but it can just as easily be viewed as nothing more than a close friendship. That way, everybody can put whatever they want into the show and imagine the rest in their heads. 

BB, I meant ... I know binge drinking is kind of a British thing, and I wondered if friends being uncharacteristically loving towards each other when drunk is also a British thing.   Because to me, it's normal behaviour when drunk, and also something that is often joked about, but it seems that not everybody finds it so? 

Vhanja, I didn't know about the J K Rowling comment, but yes, that's it exactly, I think - restrained when sober, overly affectionate when drunk.  It's the contrast that's funny, and I think that's what the scenes are playing on.

Liberty wrote:

 - restrained when sober, overly affectionate when drunk.  It's the contrast that's funny, and I think that's what the scenes are playing on.

I see what you mean, and I agree. I don't think it's a British thing, it's a universal thing. It's what alcohol will do to you.

But I don't see the knee grab as a sign of affection. As I saw it, John was losing balance (because he was shitfaced) and automatically grabbed Sherlock's knee to steady himself. Only then did he realise what he had done and drunkingly declared that he didn't mind.
 

tonnaree wrote:

silverblaze wrote:

I just don't want a nonlock thread to be really negative. It shouldn't be a place where people come to bitch about johnlockers, I like you guys too much for that.  But a positive thread about something you disagree with... mmmm. 

 
It can be whatever you want it to be!

You can practice some science there. You would be amazed how much is going on over at the Johnlock thread in the name of science.