Oh, undoubtedly, I just don´t believe his games are half as elaborate as a part of fandom thinks.. but we´ll see! I´m open to be proven wrong.  /OT

Sorry, I do not have the time to post all the tweets made by BBC3 during the airing of series 1 but welcome to the Johnlock club. 

I must admit that I have not read all posts here so far, most of all because there is a certain amount of repetition ...

One thing is clear to me, though. Martin Freeman is a brilliant actor, and there have been some awsome directors working on the show. If John's reaction to certain situations is received ambiguous anyway, then I am totaly sure that it is absolutely done so on purpose.

And that works in both directions, I'd say, for and against Johnlock hints. For example, they made his jealousy less obvious in the scene with Janine, but not neccessarily because John was not jealous, but because the showrunners wanted it to be ambiguous.

Let's face it, they want to keep us guessing. Or to put it in more positive words, they want to give us more space for interpreting. That could be one of the reasons why there is no comment on TSoT.

The repitition was partly my fault, because I posted the new transcript - just wanted you to have a better version than mine!

Yes, I don't think they want to remove ambiguity when part of their fanbase have such an investment in it. 

This one scene, though, I think the alternatives they give (jealousy or being pleased for Sherlock) are pretty incompatible, and the commentary is clear about which they are showing.   It's still ambiguous in that John could be pleased for Sherlock either way (why would he want Sherlock to remain celibate when he isn't himself?), and we haven't been told that John is a particularly jealous character (I think it's something that's possible for him, but not something we see.  For instance, he's quite comfortable with Mary's relationship with Sherlock).  Johnlock is perfectly possible without seeing jealousy in that scene.  I feel I'm arguing for Johnlock now - you know I don't see it there!  But I'm arguing for a less harsh view of John. 

I'm not sure why they didn't do a commentary on TSOT, though.  There's lots to talk about there that doesn't involve confirming anything one way or another.  They talk about all sorts in the commentaries - about the original stories, about filming locations, etc., without giving too much away (they were able to talk about HLV and Moriarty reappearing, for instance).   I've just picked out a couple of bits that I thought were relevant to this thread.   (And there are loads of bits I'd like to talk about, but can't find a thread for!). 

Liberty wrote:

This one scene, though, I think the alternatives they give (jealousy or being pleased for Sherlock) are pretty incompatible, and the commentary is clear about which they are showing.

As you know I don´t see jealousy in the scene either, but I can agree to the notion that they could have shown John´s positive feelings a bit clearer.. more smiling, more looking appreciative. Maybe they felt it wasn´t necessary to get their intentions across, maybe they wanted the incredulous element to be the focus, but I wouldn´t rule out the possibility that they also tried to retain some jealous vibes here. Not sexual jealousy, but more that John feels he´s not longer at home in 221b and isn´t exactly thrilled about it - the bit with the coffee, the way he says "Sherl" or how he looks when she says "as if he ever was".. maybe the term "jealousy" is a bit misleading, but I agree that perceiving him as a bit resentful in those moments is not very far-fetched.
 

Last edited by Zatoichi (November 9, 2014 9:33 am)

You don't want him to be back, bb?

I knew there was something else you'd reminded me of, from the dvd extras...
I feel so much more positive about Sherlock and Irene now, much happier about the 'relationship'.
I thought Lara was particularly impressive in her discussion of the character, but Bendict, Mark and Steven gave much fuller and more understandabe accounts of themselves re: Sherlock and Irene.

But the team do not see Sherlock and John as a couple.

I love BBC 3.
You really think they do?
I think they just know what fan girls want and they deliver...hook, line and sinker.
It's the equivalent of : a damsel in distrees, give them a puzzle to solve and watch them dance.

Last edited by besleybean (November 9, 2014 4:00 pm)

... and I thought BBC3 were a serious institution!    Only good I don't see myself as a damsel in distress 

Last edited by Harriet (November 9, 2014 4:05 pm)

I think BBC3 is maybe seen as a less serious channel compared to the other BBC ones - it's aimed at a younger audience and has a lot of comedy.   I think it might be going to close down (or was that a rumour?).

Actually CBBC/CBeebies are probably even less serious and aimed at an even younger audience.  But you know what I mean.

Last edited by Liberty (November 9, 2014 4:17 pm)