Well, this just confirms for me what I said in an earlier post. Too much explanation needed here because from the acting it's not clear what was supposed to be transported, and obviously Martin did much worse on the first go. And he's brilliant at doing it with one look. And then it's all supposed to cone across in a little nod, seriously? And where is his " oh, you got the hot girl" expression, where is he thrilled? I want the corresponding faces.

Last edited by mrshouse (November 8, 2014 8:12 am)

There are some comments underneath the transcript - quite interesting as they're not all in agreement.   I liked this one "real jealousy is always trying to stay hidden, not over-acting, jaw-dropping, wide-eyed like this. I can imagine Martin Freeman playing being jealous: he would get tight-lipped, in-drawn, maybe slightly menacing".  I can imagine John would look like this if he was jealous - tense, trying to keep it under control, even menacing.

Yes, if you don't see jealousy anyway, it's not much of a revelation!   But I did really like to hear that John was pleased for Sherlock - that that's the way they see the character and their relationship. 

For me it's more the writers joining the dots with the Sherlock and Janine dancing scene in TSOT.

Last edited by besleybean (November 8, 2014 8:52 am)

I don't think it's bad acting - I definitely see John's astonishment, and he does smile and is warm towards Sherlock.  He's kind of perched and awkward when he's sitting, which I felt was highlighting that he doesn't live there any more ... but of course, he doesn't live there any more, and has walked into an unfamiliar situation. 

Thinking of it, maybe it's down to how individuals see jealousy - when I've seen it, it's more of an angry, tense expression.   And when I've felt (thankfully, very rarely!) it's very unpleasant - I would not be smiling!   I agree with the person who wrote the comment I quoted above.  For us, John doesn't look like he's experiencing that sort of emotion, but I accept that for other people, he does.    Not bad acting, but just not being able to cover all bases and expectations, maybe.

Just saw your comment above - and no, I don't think it's solely thrill and happiness.  Those were quotes from the commentary - Steven and Mark explaining that he's pleased for him, thrilled for him.  The major thing I see there is astonishment!   But I think the smiling, the interest, etc., can show that he's happy for him. 

Last edited by Liberty (November 8, 2014 9:06 am)

I posted a bit of the commentary over on the Janine thread - it wasn't so much about leaving out romantic options, as punishing Sherlock for his deception.   They felt that allowing that conversation (about retiring to the cottage together) let Sherlock "off the hook", and that he had to face the consequences (losing that friendship).
 

Again, watching the show, I don't just live up to my expectations, I'm able to be a bit more dephts-going than that, believe me.
And the smile, as I have shown a couple of pages ago, is very different from Martins truly genuine smile, maybe you can take a second to compare them again.
And about the tight-lipping face, in my opinion Martins face the very second Janine opens the sleeping room door and his face at the elevator when Sherlock produces the ring is for me as tight-lipped as it can get. And furthermore they could have chosen about a dozen different camera angles for the shot, bur could have left out to embrace Johns face by  Sherlocks hand and the ring box. And nope, not a hint of smile here.

Ok, bemusement is one we could agree on...

@Liberty, I would rather expect his genuine smile, quite simply. He's not comfortable.

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