I accept that Mary may be a plant...
But I like to think she genuinely fell in love with John...but maybe he is just an innocent tool...
Heck I just want to see heart broken John turning to Sherlock...for comfort.

But they've always been best friends...and this is what best friends do for each other.

Last edited by besleybean (October 3, 2014 9:14 pm)

Well it's better than the Mills & Boon version of John loves Sherlock , marries Mary, all goes wrong,  but he ends up with his true love Sherlock in the end.

It does not have to be Mills & Boon style but the general storyline works fine for me. 

Well, this turned up when I checked their books for "Sherlock" 

edit: Checked again. Even for "Sherlock BBC" ...

Last edited by Harriet (October 3, 2014 9:36 pm)

I don't think she's ever meant to be, Tonnaree, and I don't even try to see it.  She's only a temporary character - even in the books, the love affair is quite sweet but it's a side story without much detail - there's obviously much more about Sherlock even in Mary's story (which begins and ends with Sherlock), and then I believe she's barely mentioned.   I like what they've done in the series by giving Mary a bigger role, but making her a villain (a much better reason for her to have a bigger role, than having love scenes - which would not have worked, I don't think).   By modern standards, the stories sideline female characters a little, and I appreciate that in the TV series some key female roles have been expanded (Irene, Mrs Hudson, Mary).   However, the central relationship is always going to be between John and Sherlock, I'm sure.  And would be even if Mary wasn't a villain. 

Yes, I think they could still change it around and make her "good", but it would need a lot of explanation!  I'm quite excited about this story line in S4, because if she is a villain, it will be a villain so close to home, so intimate, and I like that idea.   I also thinking it's possible that she could have a surprisingly noble ending, as you suggest. 

I'm not sure about Mary in canon.  The love affair with Watson seemed very sweet and chaste rather than passionate, but I suppose people did often have very chaste courtships in those days.   Watson does seem to love her and is genuinely relieved when he finds out she doesn't have a fortune.   I know it's suggested that Mary dies and he has another wife later - I don't think the fact that Mary is featured so heavily in TSOF means that she's the love of Watson's life rather than a later wife - she's featured because she's the client.   Watson could love a later wife more, but unless she was involved in a case, we wouldn't hear about her! 

(I think it's possible that Holmes was gay and Watson was straight. Although it's also quite plausible that Mary was a "beard", I don't get that impression from the story). 


 

Last edited by Liberty (October 4, 2014 11:25 am)

No, not a fag hag, but a cover - this kind of beard . 

Yes, I do think John likes women.  It almost surprised me when I first watched Sherlock that they so clearly chose that route for him (just because they are such a slashable couple!).  They left Sherlock ambiguous at the beginning and you'd think they might leave John that way too.  I suppose one reason to show John as straight was that they'd already planned to include Mary (as well as the books implying that he's attracted to women, as you say).   It's quite possible that Watson would need a beard, but not John.   I suppose one alternative would have been to make Mary a man (I suppose Irene could have been male too!).   

I haven't seen Elementary, but I think I know what you mean .  I'm just playing with ideas. 

I don't think it would have been a good idea to change the sex of the women, in stories where women are already a little under-represented.  But it would have made Sherlock and John clearly gay.  But then if they were gay, then why wouldn't they just get together with each other (if they were attracted to each other)?

Last edited by Liberty (October 4, 2014 2:49 pm)