And I suppose to have them back in Baker Street it would be preferable if John were unattached.

Marital bliss is the one thing one very rarely sees in the show. Especially where John and Mary are concerned. 

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besleybean wrote:

Ah, maybe he at least gets good sex.

Poor guy if this is the only thing he gets from his marriage. 
 

Indeed. So not even that. 

I don't see any sexual attraction between John and Mary, marriage or no marriage, pregnancy or no pregnancy.

So if it is John's baby, I wonder how they managed to achieve this?
And there is obviously no such attraction between the boys, other wise they would be doing it now.


So they were in crisis on the tarmac?

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SusiGo wrote:

Neither do I. Playful banter in TEH. First hints of something not right in TSoT. Full-blown crisis in HLV.

Sums it up rather nicely.
 

We'll see.

nakahara wrote:

But I think that althrough you do not see beautiful bond between Sherlock and John as sexual, you must agree that what they share is special and that it is indeed love, no matter what form it currently takes. No matter whether it´s eros or agape or filia - those two men are made for each other and something wonderful will be lost if they are parted from each other.
 

That's the bit everybody agrees on. At various times, I've called it a beautiful friendship, a special friendship and love, so it's all the same words.  I think that it's (for me) a friendship makes it even more special, because it's so unusual.  People fall in love in the normal course of things and bond for life all the time.  They have something different. 

It's interesting that you mentioned that people have different views on Benedict's attractiveness.  I think he's been deliberately made very attractive for Sherlock (I do think he's gorgeous anyway, but I don't think the way he looks in Sherlock is an accident).  Even people who don't normally find him attractive can find him attractive in Sherlock.   There seem to be so many references to attractive heroes, whether it's film noir detectives or Heathcliff on the moors.  I'm sure that must be an influence - because he's presented as so attractive, it's difficult (for us) to imagine why John wouldn't find him attractive in that way too. 

(Actually, it might be interesting to see statistics on who finds whom attractive and whether they ship them or not!  My guess would be that most people would ship characters where they find at least one attractive, but I'm sure that's not always the case, and I don't actually know how true it is at all).

lil wrote:

Lib@agree...they met...bleh..and only just agreed they love each other...thats the point of story we are at..there's no evidence that there will never be implied sex....its been very deliberately kept ambiguous..and encouraged though..b4 S03 I thought Mary would quash johnlockery...why didn't they?...why keep options open if not a plan?...if a plan..something is going to happen.
MGT..have put a huge romantic/bromantic spin on the usual SH@JW story...its modern..in a dark pulpy noir twisty way....we can only guess at the future from what is in the show so far......because with MGT the lunatics are usually running the asylum.

I don't see why they'd want to quash it when it's one of the attractions of the show!  I don't think they'e shown us sexual attraction so far, but they could make things go one way or the other in S4.  Not quashing it doesn't necessarily mean a plan - in fact, I think it probably doesn't and I'll tell you why.  Because then the bridges would be burned and there would be no ambiguity.  I think there's an awful lot of allowing people to see what they want to see in this show, and giving absolute, definite answers, would not allow that. 

 

Absolutely, Susi.

besleybean wrote:

So it definitely isn't his baby, then.

Have to say it.  The sex doesn't have to be good to get pregnant!