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March 24, 2012 2:56 pm  #1


Your opinion please re: Sherlock's past

Does anyone think that there's something of significance--a secret of sorts--in Sherlock's past? 

I mean John is quite upset with Mycroft for sharing Sherlock's entire life story and says something like : "One big lie; Sherlock is a fraud but the rest is true."

"But the rest is true." Does he mean more than D.O.B. and schooling, etc...?

Did Sherlock do something when he was younger that would make people believe that he created Moriarty even more believable ?

Any thoughts/insights appreciated! Thanks!


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March 24, 2012 4:39 pm  #2


Re: Your opinion please re: Sherlock's past

I don't know, I've often wondered what else could be "revealed" in the newspaper article...what could possibly be so scandalous?? I suppose it's hinted in the series that he's dabbled with drugs in the past so could be something to do with that I suppose.


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March 24, 2012 6:04 pm  #3


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There needn't be anything scandalous in Sherlock's past. The idea of selling 'The Big Lie' is one used in Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany etc. The whole point of the Big Lie is that it needs to be 'proved' to be correct through the use of indisputable facts. This is the classic art of the propagandist: you surround a massive lie with a complete structure of truth, then the public will believe it.

The newspaper exposé relies on detailed information which can be double checked about Sherlock's past, without this Richard Brooks accusations would not be believable.


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March 30, 2012 11:03 am  #4


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I think there must be something drug-related in Sherlock's past, remember all the hints they have given us since A study in pink and specially in A Scandal in Belgravia.
Anyway, something probably stupid has crossed my mind, but I'll tell you just in case. Sherlock gets really angry at Kitty when she mentions that his relationship with John may be not just platonic and suggests it could be exposed as a gay one. We know (and Sherlock knows) that's something that upsets John a lot, so his reaction may be justified by that. But... what if Sherlock has really had some sort of gay relationship in the past? We don't know, probably it's unlikely because of his asexuality/sex repression/whatever you want to call it. But I think there has to be something about that too.


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March 30, 2012 11:09 am  #5


Re: Your opinion please re: Sherlock's past

Public schoolboy with unruly attitude gets serious attention by the fag-master?

Whilst it could be true I think it's not likely as fagging is generally frowned upon now and would have been in the process of being phased out during Sherlock's childhood - but there is an element of what you say which could be true.

-m0r


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March 30, 2012 11:26 am  #6


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I wonder what it was that made Sherlock such an asexual person in the first place?


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March 30, 2012 11:27 am  #7


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Think about it, if there was anything 'shocking' don't you think the brilliant Kitty would have had that splashed across the page as a headline or sub headline? Even the reports after his death would have highlighted anything so scandalous. The newspaper reports would not have a revelation of something terrible hidden below the first few paragraphs. Think; have you ever read an article like that and found a scandalous part towards the end?

Simply the 'fact' that a hero of the nation is apparently NOT a hero is scandal enough. If they had drug use evidence or sex romp evidence you would see a full 8 page lift out from the British Press!


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March 30, 2012 11:29 am  #8


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That's so true. They'd make a big deal out of all the shocking aspects, not just one of them.


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March 30, 2012 11:33 am  #9


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You're right Kazza, but I think we don't see much more than the front page... the news is that Sherlock is a fake, I'm sure there's a lot more inside the paper. I don't know, but something has to be there for Sherlock get so angry about Kitty having his life story. I don't know if it's only the drugs or if it's something else. I think there must be something else (though maybe it's not sex-related)


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Waiting for a crazy man in a blue box to fall from the sky...

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March 30, 2012 11:39 am  #10


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That scene when John is having a go at Mycroft for giving Moriarty Sherlock's "whole life story" has always seemed a little weird to me...I mean what's so special about his life story...born, grew up, went to school, went to Uni, became a detective...I've always been of the impression that there must have been something vaguely interesting or juicy...otherwise the rest of his life story wouldn't be important, they'd just write about the fact that he was a fake who made up the crimes, they wouldn't need any other random information.


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March 30, 2012 11:40 am  #11


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We actually see quite a few articles; then we see the news reports afterwards. There's plenty of space & time to get the attention grabbing bits seen by the viewers. The whole text we see from all the articles have been posted together and really, if it wasn't mentioned, it wasn't there.


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Sherlock Holmes 28 March 13:08

Mycroft’s popularity doesn’t surprise me at all. He is, after all, incredibly beautiful, clever and well-dressed. And beautiful. Did I mention that?
--Mark Gatiss

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey
 

March 30, 2012 11:49 am  #12


Re: Your opinion please re: Sherlock's past

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

That scene when John is having a go at Mycroft for giving Moriarty Sherlock's "whole life story" has always seemed a little weird to me...I mean what's so special about his life story...born, grew up, went to school, went to Uni, became a detective...I've always been of the impression that there must have been something vaguely interesting or juicy...otherwise the rest of his life story wouldn't be important, they'd just write about the fact that he was a fake who made up the crimes, they wouldn't need any other random information.

The fact that Moriarty can sit and tell stories about things that DID happen in Sherlock's childhood, whether it be when he fell out of Mrs Snodgrass's tree and broke her prize rose bush or when he won the Swimming Trophy in his senior year WILL make anything else he says about him credible. Because Mrs Snodgrass and the school teachers he had will know that THOSE things are true; hence people make the assumption that EVERYTHING is true. (I mean who would remember something like that un;ess they were there? He wasn't famous so no-one would be watching the things he did let alone recording it, just in case)
That's how most of these sensationalist pieces are written, specifics from the past give the storyteller more credibility.

There doesn't have to be anything more and frankly if there WAS more it would make it sound contrived and lose any credibility built up.

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Sherlock Holmes 28 March 13:08

Mycroft’s popularity doesn’t surprise me at all. He is, after all, incredibly beautiful, clever and well-dressed. And beautiful. Did I mention that?
--Mark Gatiss

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey
 

March 30, 2012 12:41 pm  #13


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Aye, if you think about it people are fascinated by "how he came to be this way". So it's probably an article that starts out by declaring that he's a fraud, created moriarty & the crimes and then goes on to describe how he grew into the aberration of a man - literally born, grew up, wanted to be a pirate, badgered the police about a boy's drowning and couldn't get the attention he wanted so went around and made shit up instead...? Something like that.


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March 30, 2012 9:43 pm  #14


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Yes Kazza's right. If you have enough verifiable facts in the article people will also believe the lie hidden within.


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April 1, 2012 9:54 pm  #15


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kazza474 wrote:

We actually see quite a few articles; then we see the news reports afterwards. There's plenty of space & time to get the attention grabbing bits seen by the viewers. The whole text we see from all the articles have been posted together and really, if it wasn't mentioned, it wasn't there.

Well, I've just rewatched The Reichenbach Fall and really, I haven't seen much more than front pages... only a few words about Brook knowing Sherlock for decades and being an old friend and little else. No news reports after he's dead, only the front page of Mycroft's paper... what am I missing? Is my DVD cut or something?


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Waiting for a crazy man in a blue box to fall from the sky...

But the thing is, we've taken away all the things that can possibly have happened, so I suppose the only thing that's left, even though it seems really weird, must be the thing that did happen, in fact. (Miss Marple)

 

April 4, 2012 8:51 pm  #16


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This is just a wild guess, but has anyone wondered, if Sherlock was speaking from his own experience, when he speculated, how the little boy, 'this particular little boy, who reads all the spy books', might react,when he sees the outline of a man with  a weapon through the glass door? I can't recall any spy books on his table, only spy toys. And if you see the ouline of a shadow through a glass door, it's quite a leap to think immediately of an abduction. Sherlock really seems to identify with the little boy. So far, there was no indication in the show, that Sherlock has special insights into kids.In the contrary, he's quite harsh with the kids in Scandal, who ask about their  dead grandfather. Also the Bluebell case in Hounds doesn't interest him because of the poor kid, who lost her pet.
Now, if something frightening like an abduction  had happened to Sherlock as a kid, Mycroft might have told Moriarty about it, amongst other things concerning Sherlock. If Moriarty had arranged the abduction in order to smear Sherlock as a fraud - and, we know, he did just that - the whole thing would gain much more punch, if Rich Brook told Kitty that fact of Sherlocks life, which could be easily verified as well, and people would read about it in the paper the very next day.

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April 4, 2012 9:06 pm  #17


Re: Your opinion please re: Sherlock's past

I thought something similar myself. Well....not quite as detailed as your wonderful theory...but that scene made me think whether he could relate to the kid in some way. I can quite imagine Sherlock reading spy books as a child (as well as all the pirating ones of course.  )


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April 5, 2012 7:37 am  #18


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Maybe, Sherlock  liked 'Treasure Island' as much as I did, when I was a kid (and still do). Long John Silver would have been a worthy opponent. What a great villain!

 

April 5, 2012 4:06 pm  #19


Re: Your opinion please re: Sherlock's past

It would be more than likely that Sherlock and Mycroft attended boarding school. They are of the right 'class' to have done so. He certainly is aware of the possibility for kidnap on the last day of term when everyone is milling about, parents, chauffeurs etc.

We know that he attended University because Sebastian in Blind Banker was there at the same time. It would be interesting to find out what he studied. Chemistry perhaps?


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April 5, 2012 4:44 pm  #20


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Ha, ha, just, when you think, you have a new idea, you find out in the days of www. that someone else was there before you!

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/Sherlock

"During the case with the abducted children, Sherlock, out of the blue, starts digging out details from his imagination - he talks passionately about how the little boy obsessed with spy stories would deal with the second or so of time between seeing his kidnapper and being taken, he re-enacts the kidnapper silhouetted as he approached the door. What are the chances that Moriarty deliberately set the crime up to mirror an experience from Sherlock's own childhood? Considering that Sherlock's family is rich and powerful, the youngest child getting kidnapped for ransom is not much of a stretch, and he would absolutely be the type to try and leave a meaningful trail behind. Moriarty knows Sherlock's life story by now and would undoubtedly delight at the chance to give the crime a personal touch (as with Carl Powers's trainers). Most importantly, Sherlock identifying with the victim causes him to come to his conclusions in a way that's even less transparent than usually - he really does seem to know things he could only have known if he'd been there. Since Moriarty wants the police to start suspecting Sherlock, this would fit right into his plans. It would also explain why Sherlock is so unexpectedly vicious to the teacher who was supposed to be watching the children."

The whole website is worth checking out. Much food for tought. Drawback: You have to register in order to unlock the spoiler protection, but it's easy and totally worth it, if only for the thread "WMF (Wild Mass Guessing)", but also for "Fridge Brilliance" and "Fridge Horror".
 

 

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