If he acted Victorian in a modern setting...that would just look weird!

And I find the Series to be very close to the canon. Moftiss are self-confessed fanboys, after all 

I am new to this.
Just to say I recently bought the 1st series DVD, haven't got around to watching it,, yet.
I have seen a few episodes and I do like it...it's just not really Sherlock Holmes.

Elementary!

I've seen all of the first series but none of the second. Just haven't got round to watching it yet. It didn't really capture me as much as Sherlock does. I have a friend of mine in a Sherlock Holmes group I attend who prefers Elementary to Sherlock and we're always arguing over it, it's amusing.
 

I tryed to watch it. Tryed hard and fell flat for me. They have nothing in common with either Sherlock or Watson, just IMO. Should have they got other names, perhaps i would have been more open to it.... 

*Sidles her way in*

It was because of all of this animosity between the fandoms that brought my attention to Elementary. I didn't even know it existed until I hit a Tumblr argument about it. So, curious, I looked up 'Sherlock vs Elementary' and got slammed with article after article about how Elementary was so much better than Sherlock. My hackles were rising quickly at this point, because I get overly defensive about my show, but I thought that I better give it a shot and see what all of the fuss is about.

I couldn't make it more than fifteen minutes into the first episode before I quit. 

Did anyone else get the 'cheesy' vibe from watching Elementary? Because that was my first thought when I started it. 

I'm going to put it out there right now that I'm half-asian and a girl. Based on popular opinion of the internet, I should absolutely love Elementary because of the whole PoC complex and how Joan Watson is a strong, independant Asian woman. But... I don't. I personally saw nothing wrong with The Blind Banker, because those Chinese people acted exactly as foreign criminals should. They have accents because they're clearly not native to London. You know what: I'm going to stop this part in its tracks, because I could go on and on about this and I don't want to repeat what has already been said. 

IN MY OPINION, Sherlock is the better show because its done better. Had Sherlock gone with the director from the unaired pilot instead of the one who dictated that the Mind Palace be visible words floating around, then maybe my opinion would be a little more difficult. The cinematography of this show is what made me fall in love first. Then it was the phenomenal acting skills (Ben in the Mind Palace scene from HLV is a prime example. He took something that could have been nothing and made it both captivating and extraordinary). The chemistry between these characters came next. Then everything else settled into place. 

Frankly, and excuse my language, I don't give a sh*t that Sherlock is full of white men. SO WHAT? It doesn't matter that our Sherlock and John are men. If they were women but exactly the same as they are now, I'd probably love them just as much, because I don't care what bits they have. They're just fantastic characters. Sherlock and Joan from Elementary seem so bland in comparison. Give me Jenn Moriarty, if you want, BBC! I love MY Moriarty because he's diabolical, intelligent, and a crazy psychopath with nothing that could make him the 'misunderstood' villain because he has no motive except the fact that he's bored with life! If Jim was a girl and exactly the same, I would love her exactly the same. Simple as that. 

I don't like Elementary not because I'm an insane fangirl for Sherlock, but because it's just not a good show in my eyes. If I had never watched Sherlock and seen Elementary first, I wouldn't have liked Elementary. That's the bottom line of my opinion, and all of the fighting really just makes me a little sick. They're two completely different shows with characters who happen to have the same names. THAT'S IT.

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A lovely light wrote:

Like i said, for me, if they haven't used the name Sherlock and Watson, i might have liked better. But when you use these iconic names, you brings some expectations in me for the characters......
 

 
This.

Okay, I went in for Elementary quite a while ago and then dropped it. Also watched one or two of the episodes, but....

Now I've just read some posts in here again and, just like BreathingisBoring looked up "Sherlock vs. Elementary" out of a bit of curiousity.

Found this http://whatculture.com/tv/10-reasons-elementary-better-sherlock.php and think whoever wrote this has to watch Sherlock again.
Sherlock a super-hero which we cannot identify with? No.
Elementary the better show just because it has far more episodes than Sherlock? Hm??
Joan Watson more interesting because John Watson has no developement?? Oh really?
And point 4 "Sherlock Vs. Holmes" is not even an argument for one of the shows/actors.

So having read this I've seen enough and having thrown in this little bit I now will drop it again.
May each of us be happy with Sherlock or Elementary. Or maybe both. 

"The supporting cast is different"

Nooooo, really?
(And did I understand that list correctly? It says that Lestrade is an idiot and that taking drugs makes you more interesting in general? )

Bouncing off of Mattlocked's prime example of a weak argument, may I direct thee to this page: 

http://whatculture.com/tv/10-reasons-elementary-better-sherlock.php/9

'I like my Mycroft to be sensible yes, but no genius.'

So that's your reasoning. Mycroft isn't allowed to be a genius. Really? Really? May I point out that it is canon that Mycroft is, indeed, a bit smarter than Sherlock? 

'In your own case,' said I, 'from all that you have told me, it seems obvious that your faculty of observation and your peculiar facility for deduction are due to your own systematic training.'

'To some extent,' he answered, thoughtfully. 'My ancestors were country squires, who appear to have led much the same life as is natural to their class. But, none the less, my turn that way is in my veins, and may have come with my grandmother, who was the sister of Vernet, the French artist. Art in the blood is liable to take the strangest forms.'

'But how do you know that it is hereditary?'

'Because my brother Mycroft possesses it in a larger degree than I do.'
-The Greek Interpreter

'...actually in the BBC modern retelling it’s a fairly straightforward version of the character.'

This is an actual quote from the article. You just pointed out that BBC made a more accurate version of Mycroft, and yet, you argue your point that the normal Mycroft is better... really?
 

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Swanpride wrote:

I think I mentioned it elsewhere, but I did watch most of season one...and I might have liked it as "non-sherlock adaptation" if not for the fake political correctness and episodes which give me constant deja vus because they could just as well fit into "Castle" or "The Mentalist". I get why people enjoy it...just...don't try to tell me that it is a good Sherlock Holmes adaptation.

I gotta chime-in here and whole-heartedly agree!
Well put, too, Swanpride!  I think perhaps I would be able to watch the show (Elementary) if it had a different title.
I just cannot bear it at this juncture, with images of Benedict's & even Basil Rathbone's stellar performances flashing through my own personal...Appledore....
Not to mention the suberb writing/directing/producing genius' of the BBC team! 
 

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