Jealous of the best friend positon, yes.

That's true, Susi, but it might have to do with the fact that John says with confidence and quite forcefully that Sholto will definitely come to the wedding, even if he doesn't answer back.
I guess that Sherlock wonders how John can be so certain and who this man, who obviously would never even think about missing John's wedding, is. And what this man means to John (and what John's means to this man).

Quite so.

I'm not sure, but when they are sitting on the bench, doesn't Sherlock ask John why he and Sholto don't see each other anymore? I really need to watch it again, but I think he does... and to me that would mean that Sherlock is afraid that eventually there might be a reason or reasons for John and Sherlock to not see each other anymore...

I also think that there is a kind of jealousy. But it's a different one that you would have for a lover. In my opinion it's more like ... who's this guy ... why didn't John tell me about him (!!!) ... why is John so keen on him being at the wedding ...
I don't think that Sherlock wondered that Sholto could endanger their relationship.
More ... wounded vanity ...

"I think we're forgetting something important that could explain perfectly the meaning of that quote in that moment:  Sherlock was a virgin at that time but he isn't now."

But if he was then and he's not now, who did he have sex with?  We know it wasn't Janine.

tonnaree wrote:

"I think we're forgetting something important that could explain perfectly the meaning of that quote in that moment:  Sherlock was a virgin at that time but he isn't now."

But if he was then and he's not now, who did he have sex with?  We know it wasn't Janine.

Well, from what Benedict said: And as for Irene Adler? Well you say he was beaten by her but do you know what they got up to in Islamabad because I do. There was no beating. It was all very loving.

Or Moffat: “Sherlock Holmes, again, must have sexual impulses because human beings tend to — most human beings, not absolutely all, but that’s the majority. The fact is, he decides to put all that in an iron box to make his brain work better. Of course, the fact that that iron box bounces around and shakes and bangs from the inside is what makes the story interesting. He wants to rise above us like a snowcapped mountain, but he’s actually a volcano, and that’s where the story is. You know, you shove Irene Adler in front of him, and he just falls apart like most men would. [Laughs]” , the nº1 candidate is The Woman.

Then there are hints like Irene naked in his Mind Palace, how he looked at her vividly and how he speed up his walk  before he stopped:


... the fact that she distracts him, or "the woman will cry...", or the rose at his Hospital bedroom... or all THE Woman - the WOMAN from the end of Scandal...

If they really think Sherlock is not a virgin anymore it's quite clear their bet is on her. Buuuuuut, who knows...




 

Like I said in another post  Moffat said twice that he doesn't think Sherlock is a virgin.

Sherlock was fascinated for Irene because her inteligence, but he was fascinated too for the clever taxi guy or Moriarty and I don't see he had that kind of attitude towards them. It's fascination and something more, and that "something more" is what makes the relationship interesting and different.

Moffat said it clearly: but he’s actually a volcano, and that’s where the story is. You know, you shove Irene Adler in front of him, and he just falls apart like most men would. That doesn't mean mere fascination.

And he is the one who put "the woman will cry" in Sherlock's mind when he was dying.

I think Sherlock's evolution towards the series include that experience, I can't believe his first kiss ever was the one to fool Janine... that would be very sad... and he was too relaxed during the entire "relationship" with her opposed to the nervousness during Irene's presence... there's only one way to change that: gain experience.

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SolarSystem wrote:

  Whatever it was, in this case I wouldn't take Mycroft's words as a fact.... Moriarty calls him "The Iceman", and I don't really see why Mycroft should be an expert on his brother's virginity/sexuality. If we're talking about something like asexuality, in my opinion Mycroft is a far better candidate for it than Sherlock. Yes, Mycroft knows everything, but in this case I tend to not trust his words. 

Me either, which is why I wondered if the comments about Sherlock's supposed virginity were just part of the Mycroft-Sherlock teasing-joking-sarcastic-"blood" dynamic. I have always presumed that Mycroft is much more socially backward and inexperienced than Sherlock ever was or is. Way more. And that his relationship with Sherlock has never been one of simply being brothers. Which might seem off topic, I suppose, but IMO is not.
Mycroft: I'll be mother.
Sherlock: And there is a whole childhood in a nutshell.

besleybean wrote:

I disagree that is the only analysis. Sherlock was challenged by Irene, at the time, he was just using Janine...

I think he was fascinated and also afraid of Irene, in much the same way of a moth and how it is with a flame. It's attracted to the flame, simply can't seem to stay away from its heat and danger, but has enough sense to know that the flame could consume it, burn it up and leave it in ashes. Does it "love" the flame? Doubtful, although no one can deny the flame's attraction to the moth, even in the face of the challenges and danger it presents as the two dance around each other.

Janine is just a woman, an ordinary woman, in most ways. Whereas Irene was super-unusual, in many more ways than one.