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October 31, 2012 7:02 am  #21


Re: arguments for Evolution

I've been looking for this example I knew about and found it on a BBC educational page. IMO it's an excellent example of how evolution works:

Evidence for evolution - rapid changes

"Rapid changes in species have been observed. These support the theory of evolution.
Peppered moths
Before the industrial revolution in Britain, most peppered moths were of the pale variety. This meant that they were camouflaged against the pale birch trees that they rest on. Moths with a mutant black colouring were easily spotted and eaten by birds. This gave the white variety an advantage, and they were more likely to survive to reproduce.
Airborne pollution in industrial areas blackened the birch tree bark with soot. This meant that the mutant black moths were now camouflaged, while the white variety became more vulnerable to predators. This gave the black variety an advantage, and they were more likely to survive and reproduce. Over time, the black peppered moths became far more numerous in urban areas than the pale variety."


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October 31, 2012 7:04 am  #22


Re: arguments for Evolution

Oh we love the moths!


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October 31, 2012 7:30 am  #23


Re: arguments for Evolution

I think it's a wonderful example of how evolution works. Absolutely convincing.


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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October 31, 2012 1:44 pm  #24


Re: arguments for Evolution

SusiGo wrote:

I think it's a wonderful example of how evolution works. Absolutely convincing.

Yes, I would say that the moth adaptations are indeed a quite convincing example of how evolution works--through variations within kinds, providing adapatability suitable for survival of the fittest. Yet, the moths are still moths, and always will be, from all the scientific evidence we have ever seen. One of the greatest leaps of faith (which regrettably has been passed off as legitimate science for decades now) anyone can make is to believe that species can gain new genetic information so as to evolve into a different kind of creature. In other words, we see scientific evidence of dogs, wolves, coyotes (all different species) evolving from a common ancester, but not even one example of a particular "kind" of animal (canine, for example) evolving into another "kind" of animal (such as feline) has ever been documented, even in the fossil record. That moth will never hook up with the neighboring cricket, no matter how willing either might be.


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October 31, 2012 6:22 pm  #25


Re: arguments for Evolution

That is true and even near relatives such as horses and donkeys always produce sterile offspring if they mate successfully.


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