KeepersPrice wrote:

Hey!  Us BBC Johnlockers beg to differ with that first quote! 

As for the second quote, sorry but I'm getting pretty much all the sexual tension I need from the Ben and Martin show.

So, when is this BBC Sherlock interloper, rip-off, counterfeit, fraudulent, imitation, parroting, ersatz, sham of a show supposed to air?  Oh, did I mention I'm as open minded as they come and would never think of pre-judging anything 

Good one!
(Oh KP, you naughty girl... )

KeepersPrice wrote:

Davina wrote:

There is a view of the pilot on Buzzsugar. I am going to quote a few bits from the review:


'Miller also has some nice romantic chemistry with Liu, which past Sherlock/Watson pairs can't really boast about.'

'You might like this show if: You like crime-fighting duos with sexual tension a la Bones and Castle.

Hey!  Us BBC Johnlockers beg to differ with that first quote! 

As for the second quote, sorry but I'm getting pretty much all the sexual tension I need from the Ben and Martin show.

So, when is this BBC Sherlock interloper, rip-off, counterfeit, fraudulent, imitation, parroting, ersatz, sham of a show supposed to air?  Oh, did I mention I'm as open minded as they come and would never think of pre-judging anything 

KP, I forgot where you're from. I, along with all the other Americans, will get it sometime this Autumn (I'm thinking along the lines of September, but I could be wrong) on Thursday nights. I have nothing better to do with them.

The longer this goes on, the more convinced I am that it's going to stink.

Really, really badly.

I also have this irrational fear that from September 27 onward, whenever I tell people I like Sherlock Holmes they will say "Oh, like that Elementary show?"

U-hu. NOT convinced.

It's not that I don't want to like this, because I really really do. Another Sherlock Holmes series set in modern day to keep us busy during the hiatus? Great.
But this? Nooo.

"You might like this show if: You like crime-fighting duos with sexual tension a la Bones and Castle."
Alright. I don't.

I still can't get over the fact that they changed Watson into a woman probably only to "legitimate" the sexual tension stuff between Watson and Holmes. Grah. I might be wrong but... I really don't think so.

I expect something similar to "Bones". Which is a decent show, and when I have nothing else to exercise to and it is on TV, I watch. But I certainly do not rewatch, or track all episodes, or join communities,  or read interviews of everybody involved ( I don't think I did it with any show before BBC Sherlock. Recently, I did smth. similar with "The Kings Speech", but much less obsessively.).
I like Lucy Liu, and think Miller will be quite good ( I would not expect any less from Benedict's friend). If the writing is smart, it'll be a good TV addition.
BBC "Sherlock" is much more than good. It's bloody brilliant in every possible way. It's hard for me to imagine how "Elementary" can match it; if they do, it'll have to be very different from BBC to deserve accolades in its own right. I don't really see too many problems from the new show. Procedural drama with good acting , "mad disturbed genius" main character, and a beautiful female doctor who tries to help him along does not speak "Conan Doyle' to me.

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I think I've made it clear here several times, I detest the parasitic way US film makers latch onto the latest 'hit' and twist it to try to make it their own. In the process, they sully a good concept.
Luckily they have such an inflated ego that they think they can pull apart the basic premise of ACD's canon to the stage where it would be unrecognisable as an interpretation if not for titles and names.

Yes, some will like it & consider it to be the 'real Holmes' but those people have obviously not read and understood the canon and it's meanings.
Look at BBC Sherlock; there are fans of this series that have never read the original, and believe Sherlock to be totally canon. It's not, but it is a tasteful adaptation with enough originality through it to be a recognised compliment to ACD.

The Elementary people should veer away from the Holmes premise, they MAY have a good mystery show, because they won't have a good Holmes show. Their attitude has already ruled that link out.

As for the romance thing, that shows a leaning towards a less matured audience, one who will accept a more trashy story. Romance never has and never will be a part of REAL Holmes tales.

Sammy wrote:

Smoggy_London_Air wrote:

Sammy wrote:

I still can't get over the fact that they changed Watson into a woman probably only to "legitimate" the sexual tension stuff between Watson and Holmes. Grah. I might be wrong but... I really don't think so.

That was my theory. There's all this positive 'controversy' over how Watson is a woman as well as being Asian, but I don't see it as a triumph racially or in gender justice. I see it as a way of cheapening any racial or gender justice that might be had, if anything. If they had really had Lucy Liu in mind for the role, they would have let Watson be a real army badass. End of story.

I agree completely!
Would be another thing if they had changed the genders of both roles. That might have been interesting.

Yes, it's true, the show itself might be good but not as a Sherlock Holmes show. I just don't see it.
It's sometimes ridiculous how US film makers want to make everything their own. I see how one might want to do a remake of a successful movie because it's quite old. But I never understand how they can remake movies like the french "LOL" which is from 2008 (!) (and judging from the trailer it looks like exactly the same movie) or the swedish The girl with the dragon tatoo (2009!) etc.
And now they're willing to rape the name Sherlock Holmes just to be part of this franchise because it's so succesful at the moment...

I'm a complete Femlock fangirl. I would absolutely love to see an entirely genderswapped Sherlock Holmes, but I'd want it to be canonical, maybe with a few tasteful tongue-in-cheek gender jokes.

I love how you used "rape the name Sherlock Holmes." That's exactly what they're doing. They have said that none of the mysteries will be based on canon, disregarding the fact that that's how you do a Sherlock Holmes adaptation. The Basil Rathbone films were liberal in that area, but still referenced the canon.

I hereby institute the Sherlock Holmes canon-faithfulness quotient:

1-Barely a Sherlock Holmes adaptation (The Mentalist)
2-Scanty canonical references (House, MD)
3-More canonical references (They Might Be Giants)
4-Characters, references (Elementary scores here) <----------
5-Recurring canonical references, characters ("Elementary, Dear Data"-Star Trek)
6-Strong plotline nods (Guy Ritchie adaptations)
7-Strongly references canon in plotline and characters (Sherlock)
8-Faithful in the extreme, not verbatim (William Gillette plays)
9-Verbatim with a few tweaks (Granada Series)
10-Verbatim adaptation (None)

SusiGo wrote:

Thanks very much for this scientific scale, Smoggy. That's a good way to measure the canon-faithfulness of an adaptation. BTW, I think that a creatively written show like "House, MD" which has very few references to the canon may be far better than one further up on the scale like e.g. "Elementary" (which I haven't seen).

I like to quantify things, hee hee. I think below a certain number is a good show, and above a certain number (shall we say...seven?) is a good adaptation, but threes and fours are more like Sherlock Holmes purgatory.

sherlockskitty wrote:

I  loved reading this thread about the thing that is called ELEMENTARY.    I'm going to watch it.   It supposedly premeires on CBS  in USA  on Sept 27th  2012.  Bit of a loooooong wait,  don'tcha think?  I'm not down with the sexual tension thing.  I mean,  it's ok  but I could care less.  I just wanna see how the charries interact,  and how they solve cases.  I also wanna see how the writers put the canon bits in there.  THIS reincarnation has never been done, tho--I'll grant them that.  It's the first Male-Female Holmes and Watson.   Onwards and upwards, I must say.

CBS has done that before, actually, in a made-for-TV movie in the 80s. Hello, earth to CBS, think of something original.