Arya wrote:

Maybe we'll hear of her in series 3, but I doubt it will be more than a mention. Moftiss won't want to do the same story twice, and I think Moffat just saved her to surprise us. The rest of the production team didn't even know he was going to save her, meaning they didn't have any plans for her as of series 2. I would enjoy a mention of her in series 3, though.

It's Sherlock having the last word again.  Never see her, ever again? Says who, Mycroft? 

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The Doctor wrote:

This is my contribution of 5 minutes of madness. Just because I can.

Russian Guy: You find madame attractive or no?
Sherlock Holmes: I find her most attractive, for a woman that is.
Russian Guy: No problem then.
Sherlock Holmes: Well there may be a slight one, you see I am not a free man.
Russian Guy: But you are bachelor?
Sherlock Holmes: A bachelor, living with anther bachelor for the last five years. Five very happy years.
Russian Guy: What is it you're trying to tell us?
Sherlock Holmes: Well... I was hoping to avoid the subject.

Haha, what is that from? Sounds brilliant.

As for the other questions raised...no I don't think Sherlock is "in love" with her. He doesn't do falling in love, and I don't think he ever will (not even with John, gasp). He is intrigued and fascinated by her on an intellectual level, and it's perhaps particularly interesting because she's a woman. In the canon, Holmes doesn't have a particuarly high opinion of women, which is why it always makes an impression on him when one of them is remarkable, stunningly beautiful, intelligent etc.

She was working with Moriarty so as a result of that he will most likely now regard her as an enemy rather than a friend, but we all know Sherlock has more enemies than friends anyway, and we know he can have a lot of respect and admiration for his enemies. He rescued her because he wanted to have the last word, to prove that he had won, to prove his general amazingness, and because he thought the world would be a more interesting place with her in it. Also possibly because he is fairly moralistic and believed she doesn't deserve to die.

And the word gay in England can mean a man or a woman, so yes, the interchange between her and John makes perfect sense.

I really admire how they managed NOT to answer all these questions in SiB.
It would have been so easy just to make Sherlock fall in love with Irene and keep everything simple. But to trick the viewers into believing that he loves her and then make them doubt it again and leave it open in the end, that is far more difficult. The writers and the actors did a great job there.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. This labelling also has the effect of emotionally stunting some men.

Jammeez wrote:

I have no doubts about Sherlock's feelings for Miss Adler.

I do have a problem with the world's need to identify closeness and concern for the welfare of anyone of the same sex as "gay". Any man who is not sufficiently cold and tough is thought to be "gay". Anyone who spends a significant amount of time with someone of the same sex is "gay". Why is it necessary that if you love someone, that determines your sexual preference??

Another thread carries a discussion about what John's psychologist is trying to get John to admit after Sherlock's "death". I think it's pretty clear, he needs to admit he loves Sherlock. That has nothing to do with "gay".

I think I love you too.


I'm so sick of the 'gay thing' and the 'sex thing'. (It's a damn detective show for a start)
I'm amazed and bemused at the amount of time people spend on those supposed aspects of the show instead of on the brilliant stories.

People have a warped sense of what 'love' is these days.

And as Davina says, its all part of the labelling nonsense this world is growing stronger at. The problem with labels is that they sometimes don't show all the ingredients, they fall off at inopportune moments and they can constrict & suffocate what's inside.

Yeah, this is from a different thread, but I basically took it to mean he never got the chance to tell Sherlock how much he really cared about him (as a friend). Whether that would have involved him using the word 'love' or not, is another matter, but certainly they never really discussed how much they meant to each other openly when Sherlock was 'alive', and a lot of people always regret not having done this when it is too late!

(sorry, off topic.  )

I didn't watch the scene with Irene not wearing any clothes, so I was wondering, what happened? I really don't like how this season in general depicts Sherlock as a weak person, especially in this episode.  It was a bit of a downer after the first season, but I think they'll bring it up to par again this next season.

The key in this scene with naked Irene was that he couldn't conclude anything from her, like he can when he looks at anybody else.  He got worried and kind of checked himself being okay by looking at John. With John everything went as usual. He was able to conclude seveal things by just looking at him.. But looking at Irene always ended up just in "???".
Assuming that it happened the first time in his life he must have been really upset then and notice something special about Irene.

I read somewhere that Benedict himself wished Sherlock to become a bit more human in series 2. I don't think it makes him weak. But then I've always been a romantic. 

Does infallibility come into it?
I'm still uncertain of Sherlock's feelings for Irene.  But he at least liked and respected her.
He saved her in the end, because she didn't deserve to die.
However, I do not want to see her again!