I've always thought Sherlock and John are just friends, and that's still how I perceive their relationship Since the whole Johnlock thing came out of fan's imagination (;p) imo it should stay like that and not to be put into the show. Even though I'm not an "oppontent" of slash, moreover Ive got used to it that some fans find a kind of joy of pairing fictional characters together, sometimes it's quite funny, but I wouldn't like to see it in the show. ;]

besleybean wrote:

You needn't worry, it's not going to happen.

 
Totally agree with that; but I do believe the delicious and captivating and subtle innuendo and ambiguity will continue.  It's 'hot' and the showrunners know it.

Oh, I'd say, nobody of us here can look right into the future... I've learnt to become careful with predictions of any kind 

besleybean wrote:

I think they just like playing with the 'gay' joke.

Moffat said that they do it to address the relationship of the two men, which has been speculated on for over a century now.  It's more of a joke on expectations than it is a gay joke.  But he also said he had no problem with the Johnlockers, because people always make up their own stories.

/not a shipper at all
//it's fine as long as people don't get jealous of relationships in the actual show

ancientsgate wrote:

besleybean wrote:

You needn't worry, it's not going to happen.

Well, I wouldn't say never. But I agree, probably not. If it were an American show, however, I could guarantee 100% about "never".

In America they wouldn't even make a show like this. Except if they make one of them a woman. As in Elementary.
 

besleybean wrote:

I think they just like playing with the 'gay' joke.

The fans take it as a joke, but I don't see either Sherlock or John taking it as a joke. Sherlock doesn't take it at all-- he clams up like a sphinx when anyone starts in on that assuming John and he are an item thing. And John can't stop sputtering about how they're not on a date, it's not like that, I'm not gay, blah, blah. But I don't see actual joking going on about it between any of the characters.

Mrs. H assumes there's something going on, like the "married ones" next door. Irene Adler acted like she *knew* something was going on (it wouldn't bother her one iota to have to share Sherlock, IMO). John's girlfriends *knew* something was going on and got disgusted with John because he kept denying it. But I haven't seen any joking.

I agree that it's played for irony, and that makes us laugh and titter, but I don't think anyone would say that being gay or having an attraction for someone of the same gender is laughable. I actually think it would be lovely to see them fall for each other and actually get some personal happiness; love is love, and why should it matter if the partners' bits are on the inside or the outside? But I don't believe the show will go there. Thank god for S/J fan fic.

 

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QuiteExtraordinary wrote:

  In America they wouldn't even make a show like this. Except if they make one of them a woman. As in Elementary. 

American TV has actually been full of buddy shows like in forever. Starsky & Hutch, The Odd Couple,
Chips, Cagney & Lacey, the current Hawaii 5-0, The Sentinel, The Andy Griffith Show, and many, many others. But in the last 5+ years, I notice that a lot of the shows are pairing up females with males (like in the current Blue Bloods and in Elementary and many others), or sometimes two females together (I presume to keep the young male audience happy).

At least Joan W. hasn't fallen in bed with her Sherlock yet. We actually reached the end of S1 without any bed scenes with them, nothing short of a miracle. But now she's starting to carry a torch for him. Sigh. I suppose it's inevitable. I personally think that Sherlock should bypass boring Joan and go for that hot young black male detective he works with all the time. *evil grin*

I don't think I need to do anything, unless a member of staff asks me. But seeing as I'm accused:
Incidentally, you dont actually know my own sexuality.
Not that this is anybody's business, but members of my own family and close friends are gay.
More to the point, I have fought for gay rights the whole of my life.
So no, I don't think being gay is a joke and neither do the BBC Sherlock team.
Okay, to spell it out in black and white(for those who need it):
Steven has said that sometimes asperions are cast about 2 men flat sharing...altho I have to say, this always puzzled me,as I personally could never see a problem with it.
Anyhow, I think the situation is exacerbated by Sherlock being different.
So it was a deliberate decision of the writers to run with the theme of people thinking the boys are gay.
But then, most of you knew all of this already.

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I think this has been a misunderstanding on kittykat's side. Using the expression "gay joke" to me in no way expresses any sort of discrimination or a negative attitude towards gay people. And it is clear what you are pointing at, BB. 
Kittykat, I think your reaction may have been slightly oversensitive. 

I think it is down to a misinterpretation of what is meant by 'gay joke'. It is not implying that gay people are a joke (although some are comedians) but rather it is referring to the play by the writers with what could be described as a 'running gag' revolving around the two guys and their relationship.